"FREEDOM" of religion

Freedom of religion my ass!! That's why our fucking pledge says one nation under god (even though we are in a war and the fucking bible or whatever says "though shall not kill") ! We have freedom of religion and that's why gay marriage is such a debatable topic, that's why gay ppl can't get married because the bible is against it. How free are we of religion if our country is run by christianity. I fucking hate this hipocritic government and all the proud americans who are too stupid to realize that we suck and we really aren't as free as we think!

 

Yeah let's stop celibrating christmas and easter too. I wouldn't say that our country is run by christianity, but it is certainly based on christian morals.

didn't we already have this discussion?

 

Well, compared to places like China where you can get arrested for forming a church, I would say we have about as much freedom of religion as is possible. What you're talking about is freedom from religious influence. That is a much more difficult thing to attain without infringing on the right of people (ie christians) to practice their religion. All that "freedom of religion" was intended to mean was that the government wouldn't give money to any church, and no one would be arrested for practicing or not practicing a religion. Since I have yet to hear of athiests being imprisoned or fined in this country because of their lack of religion, I would say you are making much ado about nothing.

-Kate

 

I've always wondered, how does "one nation under god" being in the plege affect anyone?

 

If it were realistic, thye would change it to "one nation, under Gates," since he's the capitalist God. Or "one nation, above Mexico, below Canada" if you wanted to throw in a little geography lesson along with your patriotism.

 

First off, in the Bible the Ten Commandments do say thou shalt not kill, but it also says eye for an eye. The Ten Commandments are referring to murder, not war. Also, the fact that the government won't let gay marriages isn't just because of the Bible. Every major religion in the history of the world denounces homosexuality. At least Christians don't kill homosexuals. Mohammed commands all Muslims to kill them.

A little piece of advice. If you want people to take you seriously make sure that you use the right choice of words and correct spelling.

 

How is under god in anyway christain? God could refer to any deity.

 

Which is why we should change it to "under Gates," at least he's an American deity.

 

And what about those americans who don't believe in ANY deity?

Or those who believe in more than one God? Or a Goddess?

The phrase "Under God" is effectively an endorsement of a monotheistic religion with a male deity, and as such, violates the spirit of the "establishment clause" of the 1st amendment...

 

Im still wondering how "one nation under god" infringes on anybodies rights and negatively effects them...

 

Saying 'Under God' in the pledge doesn't infringe anyones rights, but it does say that the whole country is under one male diety. Mainly refered to as the Christian God. I think that we should take out 'Under God' so that our country can truley have freedom of and freedom FROM religion. I mean, children and teens in school have to say this pledge, why must we force this religious opinion down their throat? Oh NCF145, my religion loves homosexuals. And it is a VERY major religion in the world. It's called Paganism. Learn it, love it.

 

That little line in the plege is not forcing a religious opinion down anyones throats. If it was it would be infringing on our rights, and you said so yourself that it is not.

Hey you told someone to learn and love paganism. I feel like I am being supressed and your are trying to force your religion on this forum. Sounds rediculous doesn't it? "Under God" hurts you or anyone else in no way shape or form, and some people like it in the plege. So why not be considerate of them and let it stay?

 

If you are having to swear to an entity you do not either believe in or recognise as a valid authority, then you are not really honouring the pledge, because it is based on weak virtues already. The fact is, the majorities concept of God in the U.S. is that of a probably male-orientated omnipotent energy, maybe not an old man with slippers sitting on pearly gates waiting for his infidel children to sort themselves out, above the shit that He supposedly created.

Whats REALLY fucked up is basically having a ruling elite who believe (at least publicly) in the full bible, fire and brimstone - all of it. now thats crazy, considering what the bible says about this point of time...and what this says;

http://articles.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0MKY/is_9_27/ai_108881880

and there is so, so much more where that came from.

 

Well first off you are ot having to swear to god. That is twisting around the words in the plege. It does not say "I plege alliegence to god". And even though you are "plegeing alligence to the flag" you will never be held to that plege.

You are delusional if you believe that all of the "ruling elite" are devout christians. That article is also someones attemp to twist facts around for their own political agenda. I see no reliable source, I see no quotes from the pope or any other major religious figures claiming to be an anit-christ.
I see a quote from a columnist, and thats it. Even so, does it matter if a few people believe him to be antichrist?

 

hahahaha. That article was pretty funny. Anyways, it would be impossible for Bush to be the Anti-Christ. The Anti-Christ has the support of the entire world (minus the Christians). And the entire world will never support Bush. Also, the Anti-Christ will have to get the support of the Muslims. No extreme muslim will ever support Bush or any westener for that matter. The only person an extreme muslim will support is another muslim. Therefore, I think it is pretty reasonable to take Bush off of the Anti-Christ list.

 

when dealing witht he proper translation of the 10 commandments, the 6th commandment is better translated to "thou shalt not commit murder." there are times in every society in which war and killing become necessary.

 

Someone said back there that kids are forced to say the pledge in school. No, you are not forced to say it, you have a right to stay silent or even stay seated during the pledge. If someone tries to force you they are violating your rights.

 

That's quite debatable.

 

Because a lot of parents of children who go to school are atheists, and may not want their children to be exposed to that. But, SAYING the pledge isn't a law, you don't have to do it, and if you get in trouble for not saying it, you can challenge it and prove that it is not forced, it is optional.

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

yeah, i know your feelings on the subject. but biblicly, it is made quite clear that killing is not only condoned but considered necessary. to say that the 6th commandment says "thou shalt not kill" is overly simplistic and not at all in agreement with the rest of the text.