Freedom Day !!!!!!!!!! Yay

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  1. WOLF ANGEL

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  4. WOLF ANGEL

    WOLF ANGEL Senior Member - A Fool on the Hill Lifetime Supporter

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    I can't see them doing anything else but going UP - 'Kids' , and others won't bother getting a jab - because they're more interested in getting out and having social life
    The pressure on the NHS will increase and given the latest News with the (non) pay-rise, Morale and stress will make this a really uncomfortable Fall/Winter methinks
     
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  5. Captain Scarlet

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    Thats why they have introduced the Covid passport system for certain venues including concerts and night clubs . It worked with my lad as hes getting his first jab tomorrow . He is 20 ,
     
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    What about these recent developments?;

    Shutdown replaces lockdown as 'pings' hit retail, transport, tourism, NHS and police

    Great Britain faces risk of winter blackouts, system operator warns

    Covid antibodies may start to fall six weeks after second vaccine, study claims

    Prepare for new lockdown in August, PM warned
     
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  7. WOLF ANGEL

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    I can see the value of the COVID passport) but I have concerns of the Data held, and the Cost of it - seems like it could be 'another way to make Money
     
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  8. Captain Scarlet

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    A lot of that is typical British tabloid media that starts screaming when there is little else to grab the headlines .Unfortunately there are too many sheep that think what is written in the Sun is news :eek:
     
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    LOL - 'The Sun' should read 'The Comic' = Light reading for the kids
     
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  10. Vladimir Illich

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    Seems some people's triumphalism is not shared by the vast majority of adults, who have chosen to be 'sensible' !!!


    Vast majority of adults still wearing masks after ‘Freedom Day’, research shows

    Jemma Crew, PA Social Affairs Correspondent
    30 July 2021, 1:14 pm
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    The vast majority of adults are continuing to wear face coverings when out and about, despite no longer being legally required to do so in certain settings, figures suggest.

    Some 95% of people in Britain said they wore face coverings when outside their home in the past week, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) found.

    And 89% of adults felt that wearing face coverings to help stop the spread of Covid-19 is either very important or important.

    The findings are similar to those from the previous week’s survey, conducted before most legal restrictions in England were eased on July 19.

    Face coverings are now no longer mandatory in shops and on most public transport in England, but the Government has said it “expects and recommends” that people continue to do so in crowded areas.

    The one-metre-plus rule on social distancing has also ended.

    The ONS analysed responses from 3,784 people aged 16 and over who were surveyed between July 21 and 25 as part of its Opinions and Lifestyle Survey.

    They were asked about their actions over the past week, which includes a number of days before the July 19 reopening.

    It also found that 69% of respondents said they saw everyone or almost everyone wearing face coverings while shopping in the last seven days.

    Those saying they always or often maintained social distance fell slightly, from 63% last week to 61%.

    Some 88% of respondents said they feel socially distancing from people not in their household is important or very important – similar to the previous week (89%).

    A third (33%) of adults said they felt it will take more than a year for life to return to normal, similar to last week (32%) and the highest this has been since early November.

    Tim Vizard, ONS principal research officer, said: “Interestingly, despite the lifting of legal restrictions in England on 19 July, people continue to feel strongly that measures like wearing face coverings and hand washing are important.”
     
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  11. Toecutter

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    Give it time, when the mask mandate was lifted here in the U.S. it took a little time for people to relax and return to normal.
    Now when we are at the supermarket etc. we may see one or two people walking about with a mask.

    The choice is yours to put a mask on, as it should.
     
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    I went to the City Centre yesterday (via Public transport) with my Grandchilfren, - the 'Bus ride' was fine maskwise, then came the shops.
    The vast number of folk walking around were mask-free with those in the shops having inconsistent clientelle
     
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  13. Captain Scarlet

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    The mask thing is more of a confidence thing IMO . The government in order to control the population instilled the fear of God into them . I have no problem with people wearing them if that is their choice .

    Masks as I have proved do not stop you getting Covid unless they are the very top grade with filters .They just pass through the material as the particles are so microscopic .
     
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    Is Covid-19 dying?

    It jumped a head of all of the viruses because it somehow mutated to hide inside an immune system and not be detected before symptoms and yet it needed symptoms like sneezing and coughing to infect others. This would not have been a problem if it could be detected it but it gave the entire world the run around because it was sneaky enough to trick the immune system instead. This mutation somehow happened during the transmission from a dead bat in a soup to the very first carrier who consumed the soup. Delta is 1,000 times more virulent but this is because it is getting too confident to stay hidden and that also means it cant go back to tricking the immune system because it has mutated to a point where it is faster than the rest of the variants. Delta is starving them. It may mutate to stronger and faster variants until it can no longer hide at all.
     
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    I doubt it, My scientist friend tells me a fading to dormant virus can be the most dangerous
     
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    oh no
     
  18. Vladimir Illich

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    Still wanna bury your head in the sand and go around without wearing a mask ??? Well good luck with that !!!

    Significant surge in Covid cases will happen despite best efforts, says expert

    Aine Fox and Ella Pickover
    25 August 2021, 4:13 pm
    Music festivals and schools returning will lead to a “significant surge” in Covid-19 infections causing concerns for medics, an expert advising the Government has said.

    A rise in cases as a result is “realistic” and will happen “despite best efforts” amid the spread of the dominant and more transmissible Delta variant of coronavirus, Professor Ravindra Gupta said.

    His comments come as another expert said vaccines should prevent the “significant wave” of hospital admissions seen last autumn, but added there is uncertainty over how big any rise might be this time.

    Asked if a surge in cases is inevitable amid summer festivals and the imminent return of schools and colleges, Prof Gupta told BBC Radio Four’s World at One: “Of course there is going to be an associated surge in cases, given that the young people in these events are largely going to be unvaccinated.

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    “That’s just something that is predictable and will happen, despite best efforts.

    “We know that Delta is far more infectious, it ramps up very quickly. We know the lateral flow devices are not perfect. So we just have to be realistic and say that this is going to lead to a significant surge in infections.”

    The member of the New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (Nervtag), who said he was speaking in a personal capacity, noted that some of the Government’s pilot events earlier in the year – which were concluded to have shown “no substantial outbreaks” – had taken place when the Delta variant was not dominant and community transmission was relatively low.


    He said: “I think if you did a large event now, and did the same study, you may find something different because, of course, the Delta variant is dominant at the moment.”

    Health officials said they are investigating 4,700 cases of coronavirus which are suspected to be linked to the Boardmasters festival, which took place in Cornwall nearly two weeks ago.

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    Elsewhere it has been reported that more than 1,000 people who attended Latitude Festival at Henham Park in Suffolk last month have tested positive for the virus.

    Prof Gupta said clinicians are “worried” about the implications of a surge in cases, which will “cause significant problems for us all”.

    Schools in Scotland have already returned after the summer break and the reopening is believed to have contributed to a rise in cases north of the border.

    He said: “Anyone who treats patients and is having to deal with the surge in cases as a clinician is worried because things are already very stretched and conditions are not good.

    “So, yes, this is going to happen here, and whilst it may not be visible to many in society, it is going to cause significant problems for us all.”

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    Dr Mike Tildesley, a member of the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Modelling (Spi-M) which advises the Government, said the true impact on Covid hospital admissions of schools returning in the coming weeks will not be known until around the end of September

    He told the PA news agency: “Probably what we will see is maybe middle of September we might see cases picking up a little bit and it may take a week or two or more for that to spill over into a rise in hospital admissions.

    “But to me the biggest unknown, and I think it’s very hard for any of us to call this now, is exactly how big that rise is going to be.

    “I’m certainly optimistic that we hopefully shouldn’t get the same significant wave of hospital admissions that we saw last September but the key thing for me is how big is that going to be?”

    Prof Gupta added that he would like to see all children aged 12 and above get coronavirus vaccines and that people who are immune-suppressed and those aged over 80 should get booster jabs.

    It comes as studies are showing waning immunity against mild illness some months after vaccination.

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    The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) is expected to make an announcement in days on whether the UK will press ahead with an autumn booster campaign for 30 million people over the age of 50 and the clinically vulnerable.

    The NHS in England has been preparing for such a push to begin on September 6, alongside its annual flu campaign.

    Professor Adam Finn, a JCVI member, said the jabs are still warding off serious disease and hospital admissions.

    On Wednesday a study concluded that the protection provided by two doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech and the Oxford/AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccines starts to wane within six months – with one reasonable worst-case scenario predicting protection could fall to below 50% for the elderly and healthcare workers by winter.

    A separate study found 40% of people who are immunosuppressed – either through medical treatment or by disease – generated a lower antibody response compared with healthy adults.

    Meanwhile, around 55,000 children across England and Wales are to be removed from the so-called shielding list.

    In Scotland around 1,700 children currently on the list will remain on it, while there has not yet been an update for Northern Ireland.
     
  19. Captain Scarlet

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    The main thing to watch is the bottom graph. The increase in cases which is likely to be far higher because of unreported and non symptomatic people is not translating into hospital cases which is evidenced in the very bottom graph . Also with the hospital cases a high proportion of those will be unvaccinated patients .

    I think its accepted now that we will need a booster and will be a regular part of our lives ,just like the flu jab .

    The alternative would be hiding like rabbits occasionally bobbing our heads up to see if the coast is clear . This is not the answer . We have to live with Covid within the community .
     
  20. Tyrsonswood

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    You may have a problem when "freedom day" means everybody is free to spread disease and die.

    Just sayin'
     
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