For or against PETA?

Yes! Every time you donate money to Oxfam or the Red Cross you are sentencing animals to death!


"Soak in that for a while, hypocrites." Thanks for the logical argument.

 

Anyone buying for one milisecond that this chick is really 33 years old? I'm sure not.

I have yet to see one comment from you that would support your age claim.

 

Thank you for verifying my initial point.

PS, if thou dost not understand what my initial point was..read my post very slowly and carefully.

 

Read and noted. My point is that people won't appreciate your condescending and hostile attitude. Wasn't it the attitude of vegetarians/PETA supporters/animal-rights activists that you were complaining about in the first place?

And why is donating money to a charity that carries out completely different goals than any other charity stealing from all the rest? That's some of the worst logic I've heard.

 

Actually I think Cynical Otter's post was more about better spending donations to help animals. Donating to Peta is going in their celeb spokesperson's pocket's, going to pay legal fees for terriorists, going towards running a "shelter" were some 80% of animals are put to sleep and going to get said shelter's employees out of trouble for dumping dead animals in business dumpsters. Donating to your local shelter or a rescue the money make actually make it to say I dunno treat a heartworm positive stray dog, treat a dog with mange, spay and neuter feral cats, promote adoptions, pay vets to treat rescue dogs and that kind of thing.

What exactly do the pro-peta people believe Peta has done to help animals? I mean to really help animals - not their protests or wacky as all get out campaigns.

 

I agree with you. People donate to the charity they feel they support the most. At least they are donating to SOMETHING worthwhile (even if some people don't think they are *cough* cynical otter *cough*). And you are right MaccaByrd. You hit it right on the nose...STEALING is the wrong word to use...and that's what cynical otter is implying (boy, s/he is sure living up to his/her name, yeah?).

Hostility and hate breed hostility and hate...the world DOES NOT need more of that. Some of us are vegetarians...and you know what? We are doing a small part to protect the environment, stay healthy, and save animals. BOTTOM LINE. And I HATE hearing meateaters act holier than thou and high and mighty and act like MY choices are the WRONG choices.

You know what, people? I don't tell you what to do with your money. I don't tell you what you should stuff into your mouths. I don't tell you that donating to other charities BESIDES the SPCA is STEALING and immoral.

Some of you people seriously make me sick.

 

Education. Which is the most important thing to getting the word about any social injustice. INCLUDING animal cruelty and factory farming. EDUCATION is extremely important...

They send people free material in the mail (with money that people DONATE) for tabling and that sort of thing to get the word out. And you know what? I'll donate some money for education, that's for sure...especially for something I deem to be important.

 

All that anger? You should certainly seek some help for that. Talk about an emotional argument, sheesh. Grow up.

 

Be more dense, please.

I guess you also missed the point. Emotional arguments don't win anything. All I did was post a an emotionally-driven anti-PETA post. You and the rest of your preachy, hypocritical, whiny ilk base your ENTIRE arguments on emotion and you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

Funny how you tell me to grow up when all I did was act exactly how you and the rest of the Peta-supporters act.

Typical Petarded response to an opposing opinion..."wahhh u shuld grow up or get help 4 ur problums".

 

Now why, love would I feel the need to make up my age? That's just weird and... well juvenile, you know, something I probably would have done if I were 15. And my laughter is beyond you. That's okay. Oh and... what exactly is a 33 year old chick supposed to act like in your almighty wise opinion anyway? Cuz the older I get the less important that kind of thing becomes. As the saying goes, you're as old as you feel, right? I suppose you'll retort with some comment meant to offend me. That's okay too, it's all part of your youthful passion and cynicism.

 

So when you send your check to Peta do you get to check a box to be sure that your money id going towards "education" (like maybe their targeting school age kids with propaganda)? Could you choose instead for it to go to I dunno paying for a popular spokesperson? Or maybe to pay the legal fees of those two caught dumping dead animals? Or could you perhaps ask your money be best used to support breed banning?

To be honest I don't think their education is useful for much other than preaching to their choir anyway. Average people tend to think Peta is made up of a bunch of nutcases (can't argue with the average people there). If the general opinion is that they are a bunch of freaks the education isn't going to reach very far beyond their own group/like minded people anyway.

 

Well, there is always overhead in an organization. ANY organization...so some of what I donate probably does go to that...but you'll get that anywhere. If you don't like overhead...don't send money to the Red Cross...

And I do think the educational material is useful. I've done LOTS of tabling for vegetarianism. I don't associate myself with PETA when I table. I represent a Vegetarian group on the campus of the University I attend. I always have people coming up to my table and asking questions and gathering material. If you've never done it, how do you know what kind of people take the materials?

Please...spare me...education is important in ANY social injustice. INcluding factory farming.

 

If you aren't associated with Peta how do you know what people take Peta seriously? I can tell you just from casual talking with people that most average people (people who like animals but eat meat and don't have AR type agendas) think they are freaks. People involved in dogs generally think they are freaks too. You don't think that when a group has a largely negative public image average people are less likely to take them seriously? I would think a university vegetarian group wouldn't have that kind of widespread negative image.

 

I think organizations, especially those that become big, all have their issues.

When you lump people together like that, trouble is bound to erupt. An individual human is smart, a group---fucking chaos.

I used to support PETA and other groups until I realize I just cannot put myself into a group of people, all of which are different in how they approach things... I cannot deal with radicals at any expense, they make my stomach churn.

As any group, PETA has its good moments, and its bad moments...though probably more bad than it should.

I think if you want to be an activist the right way, the best way to do it is independently.

Sure, spread the word about your cause, for sure, but as for lumping many people into one group....bad idea. People can be fucking crazy.

If you're going to support any group like so, I would definitely stay away from big names. The smaller groups tend to be less radical, and corrupt.

Another good idea is to join organizations that support specific causes rather than just something as general as animal rights...
for example, if I want to target shutting down puppy mills, I would find a group that works to do this, and just that, rather than a general organization.
Then if my goal was to put an end to a law, or lack of a law regarding a specific animal rights issue, I would find a group that focuses specifically on that one thing.

When you get too general, you encounter hypocrisies more often, I think.

I'm not for or against PETA...I'm neutral. I don't really pay attention to them anymore...and there are some things they do that are wonderful and other things that make me shake my head.

 

I would have to agree with you here, definitely.

An organization that has a bad rep, is not going to be very useful.

I have associated myself with PETA in the past and attended a couple protests... PETA has groups in each state and what not, that can privately do their own rallies under the PETA name...
The group in WI was very friendly and peaceful...not at all like some of the campaigns you hear about that PETA does elsewhere.

However, because of PETA's bad rep, many people laughed at us though we were being peaceful because of the name we were rallying under.

It then became my understanding that...there is no point in having to associate yourself with an organization to support a cause. Why is it important to support a cause under a name?

If it's to donate money and what not, like I said before, go for something with a better rep, maybe something less well known.

 

Frankly, I don't care two shits about what people think about me...or what I like or don't like. Or what I support and don't support. I just try to get the word out there. Even those that point and laugh are affected sometimes. If you try to educate people, there may be just one person out there that might change their views...and one person might make the difference.