Fly Agaric - Questions....

Hello, I have recently purchased three grams of Fly Agaric 10x extract from I Am Shaman. I was wondering about a couple things:

1. Even though they are from IAmShaman, are they completely safe for people without medical conditions/medications to be using?
2. I know the trip is supposed to be strong, but is it anything similar to LSD, psilocybe/psilocin mushrooms or other phycadelics?
3. Is it easy to have a bad trip or is it rather relaxing?
4. What is the best way of using them?

Thanks for your help guys, I've already read up on their history and effects, but I want to know from some people who have experienced this first hand!

 

I once found some lovely big red fly agaric mushrooms growing outside the library at my college.
I picked one, happily flaunting it to my friends, foolishly saying 'Im going to eat one of these!'
I roasted it, I drank its seeping juices, I devoured its red skin and amply supped upon its white flesh. I was like an unthinking mushroom barbarian, though All in all I could only stomache about a third of it.
Later I found that I couldn't even stomache that.

Riding through the concrete jungle of suburbia on a rackety tram, things began to turn sour.
Reality became completely and utterly malevolent. I felt an incredible agonizing sickness coming from my stomache. My head was swimming in a malestrom, my eyes darted about, and everything I saw was zig-zagging about. I had no focus, It was all smeared and running, and un-colourful. I racked my brain for some comeforting, reasuring thought patterns but that was in vain.

I saw one thing astonishing. A tall trophee flashed into my vision from a shop window that passed me by. It was so tall and clear and tranquil where everything else was a peripheral haze.

I pulled the chord and jumped off the tram. I ran to a space where I emptied my guts.
I spent the following 6 hours emptying my guts in various other places.

It took me about a 6 months to understand the message of the mushroom.
I had taken it as act of teenage bravado, with no other motive than to be able to say 'I've eaten one of those!'. I delved into it hastily, not researching or meditating or even asking myself why!
It was like a trophee to me at the time, and thats precisely what it reflected.

My Advice is:

Don't ingest without a quest.
It is a tool and a teacher =)

 

Wow, great first post enk!

 

I agree, nice post, it is a powerful, powerful shroom. People who make the mistake of eating too many of them thinking they are harmless can actually put themselves into a catatonic coma which can last for two days.

My suggestion would be have a look on this site for its preperation;

http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas.shtml

More info about it can be found here;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria

As with any mushroom, treat it with the respect it deserve's, if you dont know what it's effects are going to be like, you might want to err on the side of caution and only try a small dosage and then be patient, as after all its a shroom and they can take a long time to have an effect, or the effect can be almost instantanious. Depends whats in your stomache.

 

Were you planning on drinking your urine to consume this? Traditionally that's how it's done so you don't accidentally poison yourself on this... then again if you're the one detoxifying it and ur drinking your own urine it defeats the point.

I still find the Fly Agaric mushroom to not really be a good recreational option, but its up to you.

 

I agree, the people who worshiped Soma, used to have a bloke eat it and then they would drink his piss as he would have already broken down the toxins.

Orange or Grapefruit juice is said to help and according to erowind;

So your pretty safe if its already dried.

A legal herbal high shop wouldnt be allowed to sell it if it was going to make you hurl your guts up or put you in a coma!

 

heh, you mean a LEGIT herbal high shop.

I dunno dude just find some psylocibe and be done with it. Fuck this stuff. Either that or find a shaman and get ready to drink some piss

 

LOL well said, but hey if you do try it, come back and tell us, then we'll give it more consideration.

Let us know two things, its effects and what you saw!

Wont be drinking any piss thanks all the same I think your right, better waiting till sept to go picking the precious purple shimmering nipple!

It's a relative of the Amanita family of shroom, which if you know your shrooms, is related to the highly toxic and very deadly Amanita Virosa or Destroying Angel, a big fat shroom with a white cap and gill's, people who eat one die in horrible agony as the amides in the shroom get to work disolving their kidneys and liver and their is no cure!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_virosa

 

I'll echo what you said, "fuck that!"

enk, you ate the wrong one silly billy, these are the two you should be looking for;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_semilanceata

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_cubensis

In point of fact their are a lot of Psilocybes but those two are the most widely well known.

Case closed!

 

Wow, that IS an interesting story, I was leaning towards using them for visionary purposes with a friend, so that is right up my tree. Since I'll have 3 g of extract, I was thinking maybe 1.5g each would be an option, as I heard 1g of extract can be weak sometimes, what do you think about this?

 

I wouldn't know, but here's my story, being interested in shrooms I went picking handfuls of them one day as I was near a field living on a boat and I had always wanted to try them, I had a friend at the time who was cultivating a peyote cactus so I told him I wouldn't mind trying a bit of that, on the day I came back with a tobacco pouch stuffed full of Psilocybe Cubensis, he turned up with a sliver of the cactus and said here you go, so I ate that, then I smoked several bowls of Cubensis, dried and crushed. As I had been awake most of the night I started to feel very tired, the laptop screen turned bright colors and I just felt like I wanted to do nothing but go and lay down, which I did. I awoke at approx 2:35 in the morning to the sight of something that looked like tendrils of a plant shimmering across the deck of the boat, then they started growing out the wall's, I immediately lept out of bed and turned on the light and they all disappeared, but when I put out the light they all suddenly grew back, thinking to myself "nah, this cant be real, I reached out to touch one and my hand passed through it!" but the moment the thought entered my head that I could indeed lay my hands on what I was seeing, I did so and experianced something that felt like a shimmering bush creeping all over my body, when I looked out the window I could actually see strange lights in the sky, and upon looking up at the ceiling I saw a huge worm like being with a glowing light on his shoulder that was red in color and it was turning the roof of my habitat transparent, he had his face pressed against it and was having a good old chuckle. Naturally I shat myself, forgot I had been taking mushrooms and peyote (mescaline) and spent two days in fear of the aliens coming back! Once I found the tobacco pouch and remembered what I had been doing I was a very relieved man I can tell you! I had never had an experience like that before (not even with LSD) and it was one that I am not egger to repeat!

 

Wow, that sounds like quite the experience! The hallucinations were actually interacting with you as if they were concious beings! I can understand why you do not want to repeat, but I think every experience, being good or bad, has its benefits. Thanks for sharing your story about peyote cactus and mushrooms, I think I may want to try the combination (in a lower dose, and not smoke the mushrooms) sometime. Thanks for posting!

 

no probs, I probably will repeat doing shrooms as I have done those before and their relatively harmless, but peyote puts you in the spirit world thats for sure! LOL

and those spirits are big arse and scary!!! LMAO

they didnt hurt me and thankfully I didnt hurt myself, so its all good, I came away a very changed person in my humble opinion.

now I know why the native americans leave tabbaco and money next to the cactus, that stuff really is the doorway to another world.

 

As the guy said to neo in the matrix "mescaline bro, its the only way to fly!" lol

Follow the white rabbit!

Read this guys books, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Castaneda

Those outline pretty much in a nutshell how real it can get!

 

The scary gist of what castaneda was saying always eluded me up until that day, when you take these substances you alter your perception of reality, but what he's driving at is once you learn how to do it on a conscious level, you no longer need a substance to help you do it. Like a switch in your mind you can throw it on and off, I spent three days denying to myself that there was anything there in the darkness, that my mind was playing tricks on me, when I should have embraced it!

But doing so without control over it could potentially leave you in a mental home gibbering!

 

Aw man seeing things that arn't visible to others in our reality, voices whispering in your mind.. shit, its scary stuff.

 

A Separate Reality IMO is Castaneda's best work. I know hardcore Castaneda fans may disagree, but I feel most of his books all issue the same teachings. Don Juan never changed his message, I feel A Separate Reality was when Castaneda's writing started to match closer with Don Juan's teachings.

I ramble....

If I were you I'd ditch that fly shit asap. I know people use it in ceremonies but like we pointed out, they were drinking piss in those ceremonies. I think it's a consumer push from herb shops to sell to people that think they're going to have a psylocibe mushroom experience without the illegal work of finding/buying the psylocibe mushrooms.

If you're looking for a natural legal psychedelic experience I would recommend morning glories over fly Agaric. But that's just my opinion.

 

Yeap and one thing I didnt mention was the tattoo the spirits marked all over my arms, it was like a metallic ink, I had the symbols for Saturn, Jupiter etc and others I myself have never ever seen before all up my arms, a ram on my left shoulder and a double headed eagle just below it. Explainable, nope, cant explain it! They faded away the next day before my eyes and I took that extra step of saying to someone, look at that, they replied "what is it a splinter!" to which not wanting to sound like a loon I replied, "yeap!"

 

If I could replicate that INK color I would make a god-damn fortune!!!

All that I can think to myself is monsters from the ID.. (Forbidden Planet)

Monsters from the deepest part of the subconscious mind brought to life.

Or their is a paralel universe very close to our own and these substances are the keys to unlocking that door and taking a long good hard look.

Something I will puzzle over till the day I die.

 

We use what, something like 75% of our brain, this shit sends it into overdrive. People still cant explain things like telekenisis, but they have mapped it in relation to a chemical found in peoples blood who have the ability.

Hope they hurry up with G-nome and Cloning laws, I want cat DNA. Meow! (just kidding)

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Relative weight of the neocortex at birth = (12 ounces/350 g.) 25% of its adult weight
Weight of the cortex at 6 months = 50% of its adult weight *
Weight of the cortex at 30 months = 75% of its adult weight
Cerebral cortex at age 5 (before school) = 90% of its adult weight
Percent of total body weight that the brain represents = 2% (avg.)
Percent of body’s oxygen consumed by the brain = 25%
Percent of body’s glucose burned up by the brain = 70% Average
Percent of body’s nutrients consumed by the brain = 25%
Number of neurons in the brain= 100 billion

Cerebral blood flow = 1.5 pints traverse through the brain every minute
Miles of blood vessels capillaries and other transport systems in the brain = 100,000 miles
Number of connections in the adult brain = 1 quadrillion (one million billion)
Percentage of the brain’s total volume constituted by the cerebral cortex = 25%
Percentage of the brain’s neurons housed by the cerebral cortex = 80-85%
Thickness of cerebral cortex = 1.5 - 4.5 mm. or 1/8 inch (the thickness of a dime)
Number of cortical layers in the brain = Six

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