Five Reasons Kerry Should Be Elected Instead Of Bush

Discussion in 'Politics' started by FreeSpiritedMelody, Jul 1, 2004.

  1. FreeSpiritedMelody

    FreeSpiritedMelody changes poopy diapers

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    Okay here's the thing. My friend is completely pro-bushwhacker and she told me to give her five good reasons why Bush shouldn't be re-elected, then she will vote for Kerry. I want to give her the absolute BEST reasons why he should be out of office, and I know that you guys all have very good reasons, I just want to hear what they are.

    her words:
    "give me 5 legitamite reasons to not vote for bush and ill vote for that kerry dude. and him being a murderer doesnt count cause thats the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard"

    (even tho he is a murderer)

    C'mon guys, help me prove her wrong!!!
     
  2. LuciferSam

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    Well that kind of depends on what your friend's like, you know, what would she consider good reasons... like, I think one good reason to boot Bush is because he caters to the religious right, but some people would find that good. I think Bush screwed us over by going into Iraq, but some people will still support the war.
     
  3. MushroomDreams

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    Tell her:

    Over 10,000 Iraqis + the 1000 Americans all died because Bush lied. There was never a threat to us from Iraq. I think he simply lied so his billionaire friends could steel their oil.

    Bush’s first act as President was to end funding for research of alternative energies thus making us more dependant on Middle Eastern Oil. Not too bright!

    A few cells in a dish simply cannot be called a human being. It never will be a human being. Bush and his advisors are straight out of the 16th century. They ignore all scientific fact when he placed a ban on stem-cell research.. Countless lives could be saved if he would lift this insane ban.

    I just read (on yahoo news) that global warming is occurring much faster than scientist had originally thought. Bush says that there isn’t enough scientific evidence that global warming even exists. Over 98% of scientist disagrees with him. Either Bush, a former alcoholic, is right or 98% of the scientists are right. I tend to believe the scientist. Most of the pollutants that and presently creating global warming come from the US. If he had increased funding for alternative fuels instead of cutting it, we would be on our way to a saver and cleaner environment.

    Kerry not only understands the problems with the environment, he has a solution.

    Bush and his wealthy friends have plundered our nations wealth. Corporate theft during the Bush Administration is no coincidence. These are the people who paid for his campaign.

    What we needed is a real health care system and a secure social security program that will be around when you need it. Not a tax cut for a few billionaires.

    Our civil liberties are eroding and Bush has plans to take away more. Imagine police taking you away in the middle of the night and you are never seen again. Maybe someone overheard you say something that is anti Bush or you were photographed standing next to someone on their list. This happens in some countries and it could happen here too.

    Bush will appoint 2 or 3 Supreme Court judges in his second term. This will change everything!!

    Our national forest and even our national monument have been given to the powerful timber industry.

    GO SEE FAHRENHEIT 9/11- this will give you many more reasons.

    These are just a few of the many reasons why I am voting for John Kerry.

    Peace
     
  4. Eugene

    Eugene Senior Member

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    1 strong ties to the oil industry, so much so that they probably shaped his policies.
    2 bungling of the 'war on terror' he only sent 11,000 troops into afghanistan, allowed bin laden to excape, wasted valuable resources and manpower (not to mention lives) on the whole Iraq escapade.
    3 the very secretive nature of the administration. Clinton atleast was publicly grilled, bush met in secret with the 9-11 commission, Cheny won't release his energy task force meetings (see 1)
    4. John Kerry is much taller.
    5. The phony assed-texan accent.
    6. His inability to build a coalition.
    7. His squandering of international support.
    8. Supporitng Uzbekistan.
    9. I saw in the washington post yesterday that militiamen in Sudan are raping women in an effort to genocide people, i don't know what bush has to do with this, but i have my suspcisions. ;|
     
  5. GrievousAngel

    GrievousAngel Banned

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    Eugene

    1.All presidents cater to oil, oil runs the world.
    2.We had the northern alliance and allies in afganistan.
    3.It's thier choice, privacy usualy means they fucked up, or it's a defense issue.
    4.Shut up
    5.Kill yourself
    6.News flash! The world hates americans.
    7.If he didn't build any international support, how did he waste it?
    8. and?
    9.Please kill yourself
     
  6. LuciferSam

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    News flash! Bush is a big reason why the world hates America, or at least why they hate America at the increased level they do now. Not saying that they'll start lovin' us should Kerry take over, but it's pretty hard to top what Bush has done.
     
  7. BlackVelvet

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    I NOTICED you couldn't come up with any answers..except KILL YOURSELF..thats what's fucked up, people like you who can't accept that other people have different views, so instead of giving reasons why you feel the way you do..or a good debate..it's like "kill yourself" that is such a bright answer there..oh and "shut up" since he obviously in your eyes is wrong to think the way he does, at least he said WHY he believes so..instead of saying "shut up and repeatedly saying kill yourself" you should really try to come up with some answers to why you LOVE Bush so much or why you support him.. you are one of those trolls who support bush but you hate anyone who doesn't support him..hate me, tell me to shut up and kill myself I don't really care..All I see you doing on this forum is being a troll and not doing anything to show people why you feel the way you do..when you can't come up with anything, all you can say is KILL YOURSELF..You sound like you are in grade school with the "shut up and go kill yourself" [​IMG]
     
  8. MushroomDreams

    MushroomDreams Senior Member

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    I thought of another reason:

    - People like GrievousAngel are Bush supporters. :D
     
  9. BlackVelvet

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    haha..*high five*
     
  10. MaxPower

    MaxPower Kicker Of Asses

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    No, the world hated America loooooong before Bush showed up. Just because we were too young to see it firsthand dosen't mean it didn't happen. Why do they hate us? America is a big, fat, rich, self-centered, ignorant bunch of ungrateful morons and no president, liberal or conservative, will change that. Get over yourself, blaming all of our problems on Bush and the reps is just an easy way to avoid looking for real answers.

    BlackVelvet-

    You call "John Kerry is taller" and "Bush has a Texan accent" good debate?
     
  11. MushroomDreams

    MushroomDreams Senior Member

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    Not like they hate us now.

    Clinton was engaged in a peace process – Bush completely dropped the ball.

    Our European allies used to be our allies. When we sent troops somewhere they would share the economic burden and some blood too. Bush managed to piss them off. Now we’re on our own.
     
  12. Mui

    Mui Senior Member

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    does anyone take these conservative bastards seriously anyway?
     
  13. FreeSpiritedMelody

    FreeSpiritedMelody changes poopy diapers

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    okay so heres how the convo went:


    ME: Over 10,000 Iraqis + the 1000 Americans all died because Bush lied. There was never a threat to us from Iraq. I think he simply lied so his billionaire friends could steel their oil.

    Bush’s first act as President was to end funding for research of alternative energies thus making us more dependant on Middle Eastern Oil.


    ME: global warming is occurring much faster than scientist had originally thought. bush says that there isn’t enough scientific evidence that global warming even exists. over 98% of scientist disagrees with him. either bush, a former alcoholic, is right or 98% of the scientists are right. I choose to believe the scientists. most of the pollutants that and presently creating global warming come from the US. if he had increased funding for alternative fuels instead of cutting it, we would be on our way to a saver and cleaner environment.
    kerry not only understands the problems with the environment, he has a solution.

    what we needed is a real health care system and a secure social security program that will be around when you need it. not a tax cut for a few billionaires
    ME: i think those are a few good reasons
    ME: and something that i do agree with is Bush's religious beliefs but there is a lot more that matters when it comes to running a country
    HER:Most of the iraqis who died were part of the insurgence that followed saddum and belived that not only americans should die but alo that most people around the world should as well they sound kinda like hitler huh? suddum should have been put out of power because he was involved in crimes aginast humanity he would have contunied to rule the same way and killed millions more he also imvaaded other countrys like iran poeple act out in violance in iraq because of the fear that was instilled in them by saddam Americans like president bush are helping to give iraqis freedon
    HER returned at 9:52:11 PM.
    ME: okay maybe it was nice of him to try and save the iraqis and now saddam is out of power, but now our country is hundreds of billions of dollars in debt and we have soldiers over there who are dying everyday. i think he should concentrate on fixing his own country's problems before going somewhere else and trying to "fix" whats happening there when they dont even want us there in the first place
    ME: its been over a year since the war started and things are the worst they have been right now
    ME: people are dying everyday and for what? wasn't the whole point to get the weapons of mass destruction.. that werent even there?
    ME: and of the 18 billion dollars that was approved last year for the reconstruction of iraq only 400 million has been spent
    HER:actuallly they did find weapons of mass destructions only fox news would report it becuase the media is to liberal they found chemicals that could kill up to 20,000 people thats mass to me
    HER:plus you dont spend billions of dollars on a counrty now in the middle of a war were your just going to destroy it again
    ME: 18 billion dollars is A LOT of money, 400 million dollars is nothing compared to that
    ME: and kerry wants to give every american access to healthcare, where bush isnt trying to do anything about the situation. i think if canadian citizens can all have good healthcare i dont understand why bush hasnt tried to do the same for americans. this is so much more important to me now that i have a kid and i see how ridiculously expensive healthcare is and how expensive prescription medication is without benefits
    HER is idle at 10:16:14 PM.
    ME: he also wants to provide better pay for teachers. he understands that americas tax dollars should more go towards providing teachers with better pay, as in they can actually get paid like professionals. this is a lot more important to me then saving the iraqis, considering my mom is a teacher and she barely makes enough money to support herself and my brother, so much that she has to tutor kids on the side in order to have enough money to live
    ME: AND she has healthcare benefits, but she might as well not even have any considering she has a 150 dollar deductible before she can get any prescription medication if she is sick... meaning if her prescription costs over 150 dollars, she has to pay 150 dollars out of pocket so that she can get better




    BURNNNN hehehe

    i feel its the lesser of two evils, but since i have to choose i definitely choose kerry over bush. i just wanted to show her how bush is a selfish money hungry son of a...

    and yes the rest of the world hates america and honestly i dont particularly like americans myself.. i think ill become a mexican
     
  14. BlackVelvet

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    No, I was saying, he had some good valid points, I didn't say those two were, but he didn't say anyone that didn't believe what he believed should KILL THEMSELVES!
     
  15. Eugene

    Eugene Senior Member

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    9. It is a joke. obviously. if you don't get it, you are stupid. and probably ugly (that was another joke!)
    8. http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/05/21/uzbeki8604.htm "Shelkavenko’s scrotum was unevenly blackened and swollen, and he had a long indentation at the top of his left thigh. He had a bloody wound on his right leg and scratches on the backs of his ankles. "
    7. He had pretty much the entire world on his side after 9-11, even pakistan was willing to side up with us, and the invasion of afghanistan was possible. After Iraq we're lucky we can get Poland to join up (another joke)
    6. Tonga, the Marshall Islands, and Poland are not good allies, that and the entire coalition of the willing is pretty much a p.r. move to say we aren't going it alone (they never mention that we are going it 85% alone).
    5. He is the only member of his family to have a texan accent, that is kina creepy, and imhpo (in my own paranoid opinion) is probably just a p.r. move.
    4. Here is another joke, you see most presidents in U.S. history were taller than their opponents (if you don't get this, then you are stupid, and probably a sheep molester ((Hey lookit ANOTHER joke, aren't I silly)))
    3. He campaigned about how transparent his administration would be, and to date they have been very secretive, only our great-grandchildren will kindof know what was really going on behind the scene.
    2. The northern alliance didn't catch Bin laden Either, it took two months till we were able to get to where he was. a two month head start, i dunno about you, but after those towers fell, i decided that I wanted the entire us army to converge on the bastards who did this, maybe we would've won. and the northern alliance is a fancy word for war lords displaced because of the taliban, they are some right bastards in their own.
    1. If oil runs the world, and the saudis run the oil, then by extention... the saudis run bush. these people are behind public beheadings and stoning school girls to death. While a certain amount of pandering is to be expected, bush seems to be a little 'in too deep' for my tastes.
     
  16. Eugene

    Eugene Senior Member

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    On the contrary, everytime i get a wishbone that's the first thought that enters my head.

    See, being a vegiterrean saves lives. :)
     
  17. Eugene

    Eugene Senior Member

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    Those stories on FoxNews were retracted, tell her to check out her facts, they are pretty well documented.
    There was that Sarin nerve gas shell, but god only knows where it came from.
    The gassing of the Kurds occured while we were friends with Iraq, in fact I could get you a picture of Donny Rumsfeld shaking hands with saddam during this time period.
    The massacring of the Shia occured after the gulf war, when they expected cover from us while they tried to unseat saddam, we never came through, in a way their blood is partially on our hands.
    Saddam was an asshole, but in a lot of ways he was our asshole.
    That and there are far far far farworse regimes in the world, china, saudi arabia, uzbekistan, pakistan, but we call these people 'allies'.

    And the ten thousand iraqi civilians killed were probably not part of some insurgency. more likely depleted uranium and using.... whatiscalled... those bombs that detach in mid air and rain down little bomblets that look like toys when they don't detonate in urban areas.

    Last I heard, Saddam's approval rating shortly after the war was 20%, most of the militias are shia, who really, really, really, really don't like saddam, and didn't like the Americans after we told them to rebel then let them get slaughtered.

    Oh, when saddam invaded Iran, we armed him to the teeth.

    As for their 'freedom' (i will refrain from the obvious nudie pile joke). We moved into the republican pallaces, we jail people and don't give reason, it is martial law, people are afraid to leave their homes for fear of what their countrymen will do to them. There is a good phrase, for the latinally inclined for this situation: Ave! duci novo, similis duci seneci.
     
  18. GrievousAngel

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    Hey velvet look at things this way, If someone dies, that's another job for some poor minority in america! and if they died that's more food we can send to a third world country! It's not that i am not open-minded, it's just stupidity, even in humor pisses me off. Come to think of it, so do you.
     
  19. BlackVelvet

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    Glad that I could be of service
    [​IMG]
     
  20. Gabino

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    Sounds to me as if your friend has lots of sense.

    Listen to her. Learn the reason most of America is going to re-elect the president, and it isn't even going to be close.
     

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