Discussion in 'Bare It!' started by shaggie, Jan 17, 2005.
Follow the link and you will see that the FCC didn't ban anything--they don't tell broadcasters what to show or not show in advance. What happened was that the TV network itself cut the item out of fear of what the FCC might do! And that's even more insidious than outright censorship, where people censor themselves because they can never know what will or won't get them in trouble.
it's true. The FCC didn't do anything. Fox did it out of fear. THe last time they got fined it was for showing people licking whipped cream off a stripper. Yet, they blur a cartoon's ass.
I don't get it.
they should shut down they fcc. it's ruining tv
For many years, Coppertone suntanning lotion used an advertisement in magazines and roadside billboards showing a little girl walking on the beach while her dog was pulling on her bathing suit. It showed a little of her white bare rump, exposing her tan line. I never thought it was obsene, nor did probably anyone else. The probelm is that we are too darn sensitive nowadays. Ohhhh, we don't want any filth on television, might not be suitable for younger viewers!!
Consider the trash that's televised, plenty of violence! What have we really learned from 9/11? I see more violent movies and TV shows than ever before, it just turn off the set, it makes me sick.
And just to think, some get all bent out of shape by showing a bare rear end! Everyone has a butt! GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!
I totally agree.
I do get a little flustered about the sexiness and raunchy things that get put on TV sometimes. To me , sex is private. If I want to see someone have sex, I'll go for the whole thing and just put on some porn. But when I'm relaxing on a monday night, I don't want to see strippers on cable TV dancing around. and thank god i don't have kids or I would really care!
I didn't know you could say shit on TV now. I've heard it a bunch of times recently.
I cringe about when I think what could be next
I hate it how people feel nudity is obscene but hey its ok to show some violent b-rated show about some big bad government/corporation trying to destroy the world! When you think about all the violence and sex that is on tv, nudity should rate pretty low on people's priorities.
nudity is ok with me
it's the violence and sluttiness that's accepted that bothers me.
Id rather see a show full of naked people instead of people having sex and blowing each other's heads off.
I never will understand why so many people fear the human body
For once I absolutely agree with you. I think that's a great way of putting what you feel about peoples attitudes to nudity in general, Mike. "With all the violence and suffering in the world, nudity should rate pretty low in peoples priorities"
I think it's ridiculous how people get so uptite over what's on TV. I mean, I can understand it, but at the same time, it's like "it's called a remote, turn the channel if u don't like it."
Well, actually, they did do something. If they weren't so insanely conservative, networks wouldn't fear them.
On the other hand, what else can you expect from FOX neo conservative big-wig Rupert Murdoch? Why do you think FOX News sucks so badly?
FOX news sucks? Do you have any tangible proof of that, or is it something you memorized from NPR?
Anyway, it's good to see the media exercising some social responsibility; I guess people are starting to get the message. Kudos to Michael Powell. There's more to come, believe me, and if you don't like it, tough luck.
You don't need proof. All you have to do is watch the network. They aren't objective, and news HAS to be objective. In fact, most of their "news" isn't news at all, it's commentary that they call news.
Anyone with a brain can easily tell that FOX News is conservative/Republican biased. And no, I'm not saying that because I'm a Democrat. In fact, I don't consider myself to be a Democrat at all.
Rupert Murdoch, owner of FOX and the man in charge of FOX News, openly admits to being very conservative and Republican biased. Hell, even news reporters from FOX have said right on the air that they are biased. Plus, former FOX News anchors have come forward to say that they were forced to report things with a Republican/conservative bias.
FOX News is NOTHING more than a propaganda machine.
Michael Powell is an idiot, and the FCC is out of control. I really don't see why people like you want to push the US back into the Victorian era...
Lucifer Sam, about FOX News first. Allow me to educate you. What you expressed is called an opinion. It may be passionate, and it may be sincere, but it is NOT the same thing as a fact. I asked you for a tangible proof, an example of Fox News conservative bias. You cannot provide it. So what you've written amounts to a lot of hot air and little else.
Again, this is nothing but vitriol. Who are "people like me"? It wouldn't happen to be the majority of American population, would it? If your views were shared by the majority, then surely the stream of filth that the media produces would not encounter increasing public resistance? Why do you think the indecency incidents generate such backlash AMONG GENERAL PUBLIC? After all, if your views were shared by the majority, there wouldn't be such a public outcry against filth and for decency, starting with the Superbowl incident.
FCC and Powell are doing their jobs. Maybe someday you can persuade the majority of people in this country that indecency is OK, morals are quaint and obsolete and children should be exposed to nudity and sexuality. That day is not today. Your views are held by a minority. If you see the revival of concept of decency as the new "Victorian era" and do not like it... what can I say, it's just not your day, bubba.
I beleive that "public resistance" is highly overrated and it is more directed to the excess of sexual material on tv and not so much at simple nudity but many people at the networks cannot or will not make that distinction.
Because people get mad about the occurence of sexual events on tv and they call in and complain and the media makes the issue look like a big deal just to get ratings. Then it looks like people are "outraged" by the nudity and indecency, when really theyre just upset about what some slutty woman did and more so how she did it at the Superbowl.
People's views are misguided and they are largely overrated too. I beleive people were more upset about the way the incident at the Superbowl actually happened than the fact that the nipple was exposed. The nipple in and of itself was not a big thing because you could barely see it and to me I dont understand how that could cause such a moral outrage, but what JT did to Janet's outfit on stage could definitely be understood as causing an outrage. Thats what I think caused it and many people just think it all had to do with just the nipple.
No, they just dont wanna get sued for doing something they shouldnt and they worry too damn much what the public thinks.
Indecency is overated and people need to know the difference between simple nudity and obscene examples of sex on tv. Children seeing simple nudity in and of itself does not hurt them, seeing explicit sexual acts on tv can hurt them depending on how and what is done.
I really think dispite the supposed public "outrage" and demand for decency, I do not beleive we will revert to our Victorian ways. People have gone way too far to go back there, there would be enough opposition to stop that. I beleive many people support nudism and simple nudity its just that alot of people simply need to learn the difference between simple nudity and sex.
FOX News anchors saying they are indeed biased isn't tangible proof? Former FOX News anchors stating that they were instructed to convey news stories in a pro-Republican way isn't tangible proof? The fact that FOX News is not objective is not tangible proof?
FOX News, on a daily basis, breaks a slew of journalistic ethics codes. You can ask any true journalist, and he/she will tell you that FOX News is NOT news, and that they are a disgrace to journalism.
FOX News' slogan is, "Americans trust only one. The ONLY place. America's Newsroom. FOX News." Americans trust only one? Another brainwashing technique from our good friends at FOX News.
Check out these quotes from former FOX News employees:
"It's very much an environment of fear" - Larry Johnson, former FOX News contributor
"We weren't necessarily, as it was told to us, a news gathering organization so much as we were a proponent of a point-of-view." - Jon Du Pre, former FOX News anchor
"I'd been warned by people. There were a number of people who pulled me inside and said, 'Look, you know, I don't know, I mean, I know that you want to work and I know that you need a job, but you might want to think twice about taking this job because, really, it is a very conservative news network.'" - Clara Frenk, former FOX News producer
"They were just actually issuing edicts to the reporters to control what they could say and how they could say it." - Larry Johnson, former FOX News contributor
"It's very hard on FOX News to separate news from commentary because it all blends together. That's what makes it so ridiculous, that slogan 'We report, you decide,' because there's no TV news channel in history that's ever reported less." - Jeff Cohen, former MSNBC/FOX News contirbutor
"They wanted all news to be a matter of opinion, 'cause opinion can't be proven false." - David Brock, President/CEO for Media Matters for America
"Any ad lib that made the Democrats look stupid and made the Republicans look smart would get an 'attaboy,' also a pat on the back, a wink or a nod." - Jon Du Pre, former FOX News anchor
"A lot of the times, the liberals that they get to appear on are either, you know, faux-liberals, like, I would use Susan Estrich as an example of that, a person who was brought on, who essentially agrees with the person on the right in a lot of cases." - Clara Frenk, former FOX News producer
This quote tops them all:
"Once the war against Saddam beings we expect every American to support our military, and if they can't do that - to shut up." - Bill O'Reilly, host of The O'Reilly Factor
No, it wouldn't. You can bet that the majority of the population doesn't become offended by a cartoon butt.
It encounters public resistance from a few soccer moms. Most people don't care, and if they do, it's likely not about a cartoon butt being shown on TV in a non-sexaul manner.
If people are so outraged by "indecency" and "filth," then explain to me why pornography websites are among the most viewed on the internet? Why do porn sites make millions of dollars?
You act as if I'm saying that pornography should be shown on FOX. It's a cartoon butt. I see no connection between a cartoon butt and the lack of morals and sexuality. It's a non-sexual body part that everyone has. Showing a cartoon butt on television surely isn't going to corrupt our children and destroy our country.
It's not "the revival of the concept of decency," it's the de-evolution of American society back into the dark pages of the Bible.
I can't even being to imagine your ideal world. I can only assume that it would include a completely government-owned media, a one-world government ruled by the elite, and death camps for people with progressive ideas. You, sir, are a delusional man.
NudistMike, if you can back up ANY of your statements with a fact, I'll send my next paycheck to AANR.
May I also remind you that people's views are not "overrated", they are the only thing that matters in this country. "Worrying too damn much about what the public thinks" is what a public servant should, in fact, do if he or she is deserving of his or her paycheck.
And please, don't even try to gauge the extent of harm that children are subjected to when exposed to nudity and/or sexuality. You are neither a psychologist nor a sociologist, and the belief that "nudity is harmless" is your own, but not necessarily everyone else's.
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