Explosions in London - Who stands to gain?

An investigation? You mean like the 9/11 Whitewash Commission?

I don't exactly agree with Jones either, because, like you, I don't know the culprit, and neither does anybody else, aside from those who were involved. However, I don't buy into the idea that Arab terrorists carried this out by themselves (if at all), and neither do most people who have studied state-sponsored terror. Nobody says you have to share my opinion or Jones' opinion. I am just trying to present an alternative view that the mainstream media won't touch.

The Muslim world stands nothing to gain from these attacks, while the government stands everything to gain, which is increased surveillance and control, and increased support for the "War on Terror".

And look at Operation Northwoods and Operation Gladio (along with other clandestine government black-ops). After reading documents like these, it becomes clear that governments have planned -- and even carried out -- terror attacks to use, to blame on other countries as a means to go to war. When I look at this, combined with who most stands to gain, I feel that always questioning the "official story" behind such events is vital.

While no culprit has yet been identified, the media is clearly leaning towards al-Qaeda. I am sure they'll roll out some patsies in the next day or two to place blame on. And I wouldn't be surprised if they're from Iran or Syria.

 

I agree. But frankly, I think Jones is a bit of an idiot myself. I listen to his radio show and watch his videos, but I can only tolerate so much of his foaming-at-the-mouth delivery. If anything, he does more to draw people away from the topics in which he covers, which is a shame. When you deal with topics that many consider "conspiracy theory", it helps not to come off as a consipracy theorist.

Plus, I get sick of Jones' incessant self-promotion on his radio show. Sometimes he plugs his videos as many as five times within one 3-hr. show. Lame.

 

Oh absolutely, the way I look at jones is, you have to already believe all the stuff he says to listen to him, or atleast have an extremely open mind, he isn't a good person to show people if you are trying to get them into 9/11 truth, state sponsered terror, problem reaction solution, etc. for the first time because they will just say he's a nutcase. But as for his research, he backs up everything he says with documentation very well, and talks about a lot of interesting stuff.

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

Of course not. I'm simply saying that I'm not going to point any fingers, like Jones has already done, until there is at least some kind of journalistic investigation (I'm not holding my breath for a true, independent investigation) into the attacks, similar to what we have with 9/11. I just wanted to point out that Jones has gone and done something he has condemned others for doing.

From what I've gathered so far, the only evidence that could even be interpreted as showing government involvement is A.) Netanyahu supposedly got some kind of advance warning about the attacks, and B.) Al Jazeera has said that the responsibility claim by "The Secret Organization of Al Qaeda in Europe" was phony. However, I can't confirm whether or not the claim really was phony. So, there simply isn't enough evidence for me to point the finger at a government, or anyone for that matter.

I agree that the U.K. and the U.S. stand to gain from these attacks. It's very obvious that the U.S. government also gained from 9/11. I also agree that it certainly is possible that these attacks in London were not carried out by "terrorists" but rather by the people claiming to fight a war against terrorism. However, those facts alone are nowhere near enough for me to close the case. I'm keeping an open mind about this one.

 

Excuse me, what is that supposed to mean. Firstly that has been there for months, secondly is it any suprise the usual suspects drag out the kind of logic they have. I said leave it for tomorrow out of a bit of respect.. I saw nothing more than all of them opening there books onto page 'terrorist explosions' and not even bothering to take a few minutes to step back and see how wrong they are. Do you believe Mr Bush had anything to do with it, does anyone sane ? the only sane point is it is because of countrys 'foreign policy'. That is bullshit because the people that do it use that as a excuse, it is simply the work of zealots wishing for the death of infidels.

 

to tell you the truth mathew " i dont know what to believe anymore. the world is going completely mad and self destructing fast. mr. bush has/nt helped matters " nor has his puppet blair.

 

You utterly worthless, repugnant, fat loser. Stop abusing this forum to make up for the total failure of your personal life, which apparently you are having too much of a weepy pity party over to have anything leftover for bomb victims.

To come in and make snide remarks to people who actually live in this country when the bodies are barely cold speaks volumes about your character.

Matthew, your kind words have never been met with anything but abuse, and may very well be encouraging it. Why do you bother?

 

Slightly pessemistic Paul..

'I don't know what to believe'

Well i sat and watched a lot of the events unfold, it kept me awake last night..and i was thinking of all lot of the points people make. Many highlighted in this thread. Now for a long time i thought people like Lick' Pressed rat Etc were not playing with a full deck, rude as that is. The more i hear all over, just galvanises in my mind that they/'you lot' have point to a certain degree about the media/goverment etc. Swift back tracking and hypocritical bullshit by the media, but enough 'truth' for me not to dismiss it all like others do. I also realised why i don't believe it had anything to do with Bush/Blair, because they have nothing to gain realy. These attacks adds fuel to the fire of apposing such measures as I.D cards / surveilance (something that will probably help catch the bastards that did it ironicaly).

Prepared
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4663369.stm

Unprepared
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/3716119.stm

Little things that get forgot i watched and watched .. and thought it is all bullshit. They obviously have the information that is 'mainstream' but yeah i came to my own personal realisations about the POV 'you lot' have about the media.. I am not going to be as completly dismisive because clearly no media is perfect.

The notion that the goverment either caused or perpetrated it.

taking a quote from Pressed rat

It is not 'The muslim world' that is doing this, it is a bunch of religous pricks (and you get them in every religeon).

So yeah you may no 'know what to believe' i certainly have galvanised my thoughts on certain things .

 

Well i have spent a while in my Prev' post trying to explain that i think ?. I realy don't know, it is not like i try and encourage anything. To certain degree i try and avoid such interactions. Sometimes though, i read things and think 'what the fuck'. I deffinitly will not be spending my time trying to be reasonable with certain individuals any more.. simply i have had enough.

I always think people have a element of humanity to just join the rest of us and be a bit respectful for a while.. i was not asking anyone to stop with this type of thread for ever...sometimes i am wrong.

 

Sad sad sad. People are dead and people are hurt and all you worthless maggots can talk about is a governemnt conspiracy. I have never been more disgusted with humanity. What next? Maybe Hitler was an american agent planted to start a war so the American economy could recover!

I pray to God nothing ever happens to anyone you know and love.

 

Matt, I am so sorry people in your area where killed and injured. No one should ever have to be subjected to such a thing. I remember people being just as rude and angry and going on about how we "deserved it" to Americans when it happened here. Some only thrive on the horrors others expereince, so they can cast blame.

And the whole "Israel knew" shit. It reminds me of the ConspriracyTheory/LIE that "all Jews were told not to go to work at the World Trade Center the evening of Sept 10th. No Jews were killed that day." SUCH TOTAL BULLSHIT.

 

I humbly have to say i don't live 'in the area' if you mean my country, thats appreciated. I am not going to waste my energy on any of this kind of thing anymore (topics like this thread). Let them all just get on with it *sigh*.

 

I meant your country. I am sorry it happened.

 

Maggie, why don't you give up your view that every time someone mentions something bad about a GOVERNMENT AGENT of israel they must be anti-semetic and think that all jews are involved in the conspiracy, most jewish people are good people, most people living in israel are good people, but how can you say that the government of Israel is a good one? They are one of the most corrupt governments in history, and have used the holocaust time and time again to justify evil things they do, do these people have any shame? No, Colin Powell once said "It is not anti-semetic to critisize the policies of Israel", so why don't you just drop it?

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

Well, one things for sure, we're not going to be seeing too much about the memoes or the disapproval of the war on the news for a while...

(Sorry if the sentence sounds stupid, I'm kinda tired.)

 

I don't think she even mentioned or hinted at such things . Just

ConspriracyTheory/LIE that "all Jews were told not to go to work at the World Trade Center the evening of Sept 10th. No Jews were killed that day." SUCH TOTAL BULLSHIT.


wich it is..(bullshit that is).

 

Sorry sweetie,
but that was one of the silliest things I've read for a long time.
Are you by any chance one of those people who are convinced
that Elvis is still alive? You have a lot to learn about politics, dear.

 

You're saying it's "silly," yet I doubt you even read the link he provided.

 

I did. I still don't believe that Jews are behind Al Quaida. Sorry.

There is a BIG difference between infiltrating a terrorist network
and being the brain behind it. I don't question that some people have
tried to make the palestinians look bad in the world's eyes, or that
agents have been placed within the organisation. What I doubt is
that jewish people would blow up other jewish people so that
palestinians would get the blame for it. I just don't buy the idea of
Al Quaida being operated by Jews.

 

And why would Jews blow up World Trade Center and London buses?
What's next; "Usama and Khomeini were actually Chassidic Jews?"

Get real!

I also thought some of the articles had doubtful sources,
like other internet sites etc.