Evil?!

Do you think that characters like Satan and Loki are actually evil? Or are they a means of embracing the chaos that is our world? Are they just someone to throw blame on when people can't handle their life spiraling out of control? What are your thoughts?

 

Satan is a representation of the dualistic belief of Christianity. Loki while having been given these characteristics by Christian scholars was originally most likely a representation not of evil but of pure chaos. I doubt very much that the ancient Norse believed in evil or if they did it was vastly different from our westernized view today

 

"Satan" is a product of religion... not reality.

 

To be exact by human expression Satan is the product of human perception as is religion. However if we were to overlay the theory of reality being formless until our conscious percieves it then Satan, Loki, God, Hulda, Mithra, Horus and the myriad other forms of divinity exist or have existed at some point in reality.

 

I would say they aren't evil. They're not like the Necronomicon whereby if you get ahold of them evil is going to happen. That's assuming they don't exist.

The only question in my mind is "Is it evil to have a symbolic representation of evil"? Does that promote evilness? Is Satan to Evil what Mario is to Nintendo?

 

If you believe it to be evil then certainly by your perception it is.

 

They are whatever the people who came up with them say they are, right?

 

True evil can't be named...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVid_fLzN5g

 

I don't see Satan/Loki et al representing chaos/disorder, but I don't think chaos is evil. I'm not even sure that you can define order as being non-chaotic. It seems a little trite to me to be like "Yeah, anarchy! Satan! Chaos!"

If you're defining chaos as brutal bloodshed, I still don't see that alone as representing Satan. Satan is more like the confuser. Is chaos absolute confusion? Well again, I don't really think so, not being able to distinguish my own "ordered" thoughts from "confusion". I know a lot of people are going to be like, "You're stupid you think you might be confused even when you're stating facts" but yes, I am even confused about facts. I don't know why facts are facts, for instance, they just are facts.

But what I mean is that Satan, to me, is what would cause self-doubt. The one who always tries to make others doubt themselves. To me that is Satanic.

 

Well said facts are only fact because we believe them to be. Human facts for human understanding. When Satan first appeared in Job he was defined not as evil but as a sower of doubt , a bringer of temptation, a vessel of God's judgement, and a tester of faith

 

A literal satan? No. But...do evil & purely evil people exist to that evil is really the best explanation for them....yes!!

 

i don't think evil is a state of being at all. it is a thing that in some sense exists, but its not a matter of belonging to the wrong invisible hierarchy or not belonging to any.

to choose to cause suffering, when there's no kind of situation were that would be the less harmful choice, to me, that's the one and only thing that evil is.
to do so by willful ignorance and indifference amounts to the same thing.

but for a self aware being of any kind, to be locked into any kind of alignment by birth, or creation or however they come into existence, no, i don't believe in that kind of thing at all.
that's why i don't believe in all the devils and deamons kind of thing.

diversity exists. and so its possible that some unseen things, just like some people, might for whatever reason, choose to be unpleasant,
but no, i think christianity and other religions that claim such things, are really messed up and have no idea what they're talking about.

these invisible, unseen spirit kinds of things, there might be all kinds of them, or one big one or what ever, but all these things people and beliefs claim to know about them,
these are all just things people have made up themselves. and that includes names like those mentioned.

i believe there are gods or god-like beings, but the idea that they exist for the sole wish and reason, to cause us pain and harm, i don't buy it.

i don't believe, if they exist, that it amuses them to see us use the names we've invented for them as excuses to create conditions that cause our own and each other's suffering either.

 

Nope....I do not believe in Satan as a fictional character. I think it a man made concept to try to explain anything...just like any character in any religion.....Do you see evil anywhere accept in the hearts of some men? I do not see it in the animal kingdom or in nature......that just is...animals hunt to and kill to eat or they die...they have to....that is not an evil that lies within them..only who they are....man, on the other hand.....does all kinds of evil shit......there are higher states of being or lower ones with mankind.

 

"Who knows what evil lurks inside the hearts of men?"

beauty shines from the inside or not....and outside beauty is always in the eye of the beholder....and i don't give a shit what anyone looks like on the outside...never did .

and as Annie Lenox says, and i am listening to all of her songs lately...it is a doggie dog eat world....unfortuneatley.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSTXNOFjAQ4

 

I would say that evil only exists because it arises from the dualistic concept of morality and immorality. Or more like immorality arises from evil and evil exists as the negative side of good. Without the measure of good we wouldn't have evil at all.

 

I don't care what you say, snakes are evil.

 

So would you say humans that hunt and kill other humans and eat them are only playing their part In nature as predator and pray. A lot of people that do these kind of "repulsive" acts are seen as evil, but they themselves do not recognize it as evil.
Just like child molester and rapist. It has been proven that they are missing key elements for normal functionality. They do not see themselves as evil does that per say make them also a part of nature. Animals rape and mate without thinking of age or willingness. Some humans even desire rape. So how is it evil?
How can we truly define what evil is?
We can see evidence of chaos all around us, but evil? In a natural state it doesn't exist until you trough in moral logic.

 

Most humans know right from wrong, and can make choices, and if they don't and cannot, then they are sick, and need to be removed from the rest of society......or make the wrong choices and need to be removed , as well....
I am talking about those who torture, kill, rape, etc.....

The animal kingdom is mostly just programmed as who they are...Humans have a choice...most do anyway.