Evil Liberal Bastards!

lol, Proud to be an Anarchist at heart but yes I'm a liberal for the most part... My question is if the entire media is run by the liberals then how come so much misinformation on drugs, and our teens in danger makes the news so often... Also why do the right wings come here and bitch about how the left wing owns everything? If we did... then we wouldnt be called the left wing would we? These are the thoughts I ponder when I need sleep

 

'Cuz the news still retains quite a few conservative elements (at least in my view, I often think CNN is too moderate to be liberal) and is very conscious of being politically correct.

I quoted this in some other post here a while ago, but I'll post it again - it's Tom Wolfe's idea of the "Great Victorian Gent" mentality of the mainstream press, very well written snippet of thought from his book "The Right Stuff." He basically says that the mainstream press is always possessed by a mentality that a certain mood and feeling must be implied in their news.

"It was as if the press in America, for all its vaunted independence, were a great colonial animal, an animal made up of countless clustered organisms responding to a central nervous system. In the late 1950's (as in the late 1970's) the animal seemed determined that in all matters of national importance the proper emotion, the seemly sentiment, the fitting moral tone, should be established and should prevail; and all information that muddied the tone and weakened the feeling should simply be thrown down the memory hole. In a later period this impulse of the animal would take the form of blazing indignation about corruption, abuses of power, and even minor ethical lapses, among public officials; here, in April of 1959, it took the form of a blazing patriotic passion for the seven test pilots who had volunteered to go into space. In either case, the animal's fundamental concern remained the same: the public, the populace, the citizenry, must be provided with the correct feelings! One might regard this animal as the consummate hypocritical Victorian gent. Sentiments that one scarcely gives a second thought to in one's private life are nevertheless insisted upon in all public utterances. (And this grave gent lives on in excellent health.)" [100-101]

 

anarchism what a horrible idea.

 

Hey lunacy, you wanna know a secret? People are too dumb to be left alone without a governmenet.

 

Who hijacked this thread again? Oh well, I'm game.

In supporting anarchy, you're basically supporting feudalism, since that's what it would come down to. A few rich/powerful/influential people would come to power on the local level by manipulating the public and fight each other over land, power, water, hookers, and what have you.

 

The media is corporate owned and corporations are generally conservative.

Corporations are notorious contributors to the Republican Party.

 

If there were powerful people running things, even at the local level, it wouldn't be anarchism, now would it?

As for the media, the conservative bias has been documented time and time again. I would reccomend Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (www.fair.org) for reading on this. As Chomsky points out if the system were working well there would have to be a percieved liberal bias, it would contribute to the believability of the whole thing.

In any case, the American conceptions of "Liberal" and "left wing" are extremely distorted. What qualifies as a liberal in the states would have trouble making the platforms of conservative parties in most industrialized nations.

 

The mainstream media is neither liberal nor conservative. It is basically pro-status quo. In other words, it's generally liberal on social issues (abortion, "gay rights," etc.) and conservative on economic and foreign policy issues. It essentially caters to American consumer culture, championing the unbridled pursuit of pleasure and wealth.

 

Not a thread to discuss anarchy but yeah ok... I was trying thinking on how all the time the conservatives bitch about the liberal media when its not really all that liberal....

 

Again, on social/moral issues, the liberal slant is pervasive.

 

Lunacy, i am so glad the future lies in hands as capable as yours. The media is far far from conservative. If it was such a conservative group, wouldn't it focus on the good in iraq? Or maybe bloat economic numbers? Because the way i see it, it's very liberal. Sorry but i fail to count an anarchist's ideas on anything seriously, If you're dumb enough to think anarchy could or would ever work, you need to take a good hard look at the world.

 

Chomsky's about as reliable as Bill O'Reilly. He just likes to cover it up in his excellent linguistics .(his only good feature)

 

So... you're saying the right-wing way would be to turn a blind eye to the negative side of the Iraq war, and to bloat economic numbers... and you believe that would be good?

Heh, my own bias makes it pretty hard for me to see the media as liberal... I think most of it is moderate. Often there's a Democrat leaning, but it's still not liberal to me, in part of course because I'm very left-wing myself. I'm not an anarchist, perhaps closest to the Green Party, with strong Libertarian beliefs on social issues.

 

No i did not say that. Try to insult me a little better next time. I said that IF it was conservative IT would do that. Got it?

 

Hey no insult intended there... just trying to work out the logic. I assumed since you're rather conservative yourself that that would be more ideal newsprogramming in your opinion, my bad.

 

Well Grievous you want to be insulted so much, you keep asking for it so here you go. You are a good for shite tosser who needs to be taken out back and beaten to death with a rusted over wrench for trashing other peoples ideas without a SHRED of support. I agree that anarchy couldnt work with capitalist materialistic bastards. Please explain to me why as I would like to know from you, and your infinate wealth of knowledge. Im sick and tired of people always whinning about how the media is always distorting the war in Iraq and President Bush's term in office. Where was your whinning when Bush got a blowjob? You didn't say anything about how shitty the media was then did you?

 

When did Bush get a blowjob and it flood the media? As i already said coverage of the war in Iraq is biased toward the conflict only not the actual rebuilding. Now when Clinton blasted the living shit out of Kosovo he was hailed as a savior for freeing those people. Also are capitalists the only greedy materialistic people on earth? I'm pretty sure the Soviet Union, Cuba, and China were fairly greedy as well, even though they were socialist.

 

Clinton my bad

 

Yeah, before you start ranting shit about me at least make sure you've posted everything correctly.

 

DarkLunacy, somehow I think that you are ignorant to what complete anarchy would be like. If you truly believe that anarchy is better than the political systems of Western Society then I suggest you go to a place where civil war is prevalent throughout the entire country. Try living in a place where rebel groups travel from city to city and house to house killing and raping the citizens. And the only protection you have is yourself and family (if they are still alive). I know the idea of no laws sounds very enticing. Hell, it even sounds fun too me. Do whatever you want and nobody can stop you. The flaw with this though is that eventually someone will desire to seek power. And to obtain power in an anarchist society you must obtain it by using force and killing any who oppose you.

Without a formal government societies as we know them would cease to exist. The world would revert back to an era of primitivism. Tribe against tribe. Survival of the fittest. And most likely you would lose.