Every Developed Country Is Capitalist

Discussion in 'Socialism' started by Motion, Feb 11, 2009.

  1. Motion

    Motion Senior Member

    Isn't every developed country basically more capitalist than socialist? They just practice their own form of capitalism. None of those Scandinavian countries are considered socialist by real socialist who believe in real socialism where all economic activity is controlled by the gov't or where all means of production are publicly owned. I was onced told by a real socialist that those Scandinavian countries just practice capitalism with a smiley face.
     
  2. Bonkai

    Bonkai Later guys

    And doesn't Denmark have the highest income tax in the world 40%-60%, everything is free (education, health-care). I think it would be better to say the most developed countries have methods of capitalism.
     
  3. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?


    It's capitalism mixed in with varying degrees of socialism. It's often called the "Third Way." You could just as well say it's socialism with varying degrees of capitalism. The progression, however, is not towards capitalism, but socialism, as the trend is towards bigger government and more control over the markets. Anytime you have manipulation of the markets -- whether it's in the US or Sweden -- you cannot call that true free-market capitalism. Sure, you can refer to it as a type of capitalism -- state capitalism -- but state capitalism is really no more capitalist than it is socialist. It's the synthesis of the two, so it's not entirely capitalist or socialist.
     
  4. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

    The Cato Institute? Why are we letting neo-liberal think tanks dictate policy and public opinion?

    But yes. Every developed country is designed to economically rely on capital.

    You can have socialist governments that run capital economies. It's what social democracy is all about.
     
  5. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

    I am pretty sure the CATO Institute is a libertarian think tank.

    Neoliberals are in favor of government intervention/control over the economy, whereas libertarians supposedly believe in free-market principles.
     
  6. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

    Yes, I'm sure the CATO Institute has a neo-liberal agenda to advocate 'freer economies'.

    Why, do you endorse policy spit up from this Think Tank?
     
  7. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

    I don't even read their material. All I am saying is that the neoliberals clearly are not pushing for "freer economies." The neolibs are the ones who are most adamantly in favor of the bailout. The neolibs believe in government/corporate managed economies aimed and benefiting the corporations and bankers.
     
  8. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

    You've cited people who work for the CATO Institute before, in favour of their policies in the past.

    *shrugs*
     
  9. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

    Hmmm... I don't remember that. I might have posted an article featuring a quote from a CATO person or something, but then again I've sourced material from all across the left/right spectrum.
     
  10. Motion

    Motion Senior Member

    Those countries seem to be making more moves towards the right economiclly or are considering doing so. High taxes in some of these countries bring problems with keeping talented people at home plus with their larger ageing populations and smaller workforces it's becoming harder to adequitly fund some of their social programs with taxes. It'll be interesting to see what these countries will be like in eight to ten years.

    High income taxes in Denmark worsen a labor shortage - International Herald Tribune

    Danish Tax Commission Publishes Reform Proposals

    Sweden to abolish wealth tax - The Local
     
  11. Motion

    Motion Senior Member

    This does a good job of breaking down the different types of capitalism.

     
  12. most developed countries with the exception of usa(the country i live in)have essentially a socialist public sector. that is to say people in other developed countries have a sense of shared responsibility to their fellow citizens. in countries like france, what all classess share is the idea of equal health care for all. their tax money goes into these type of public sector institutions. in the us of a a large portion of our tax payment goes to the biggest, imperialist military economy than all other nations in the world combined.
     
  13. exactly....
     
  14. Motion

    Motion Senior Member

    What role does population size play is shapping the system that countries are able to have? Those European countries that have larger welfare systems are smaller than the U.S. America has 300 million people. Sweden has 8 million. Sweden's system may be ok for it's smaller more managable population. I'd think it would be more complicated trying to apply a Swedish style system to America's larger population.
     
  15. JackFlash

    JackFlash Senior Member

    Would these be the same free-market principles that crashed the economy in 2008?

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  16. JackFlash

    JackFlash Senior Member

    The Cato Institute is a libertarian think tank.

    Google takes less than a minute.

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  17. FritzDaKatx2

    FritzDaKatx2 Vinegar Taster

    Wow I need to lay off the Datura,,,

    I read the thread as "Every developed country is Cannibalistic" :eek:

    :rofl:
     
  18. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

    I'm very, very, very familiar with the CATO Institute, the recruited neo-cons and neo-libs that are paid to write for them and do analysis work for them.

    'Libertarian' is a buzzword that describes a neo-liberalisation ideology applied to the financial markets.

    But if you can't mentally make that kind of connection, meh.
     
  19. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

    Every developed country regardless of economic and social laws is ethically bankrupt. We're all assholes together.
     
  20. JackFlash

    JackFlash Senior Member

    Since I took that moniker from their web site, you need to bring it to the attention of the people who run the Cato Institute. I'm sure they will appreciate you correcting them.

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