ever realized something on mushrooms that surprised you?

i always sort of expected some sort of revelation that would totally change and revolutionize the way i think, something that would make me go "ohhhh i need to do this differently".

but i tripped yesterday, and was laying down and just listening to music and watching the patterns on my friends ceiling. i was thinking about the meaning behind just shifting geometric shapes, and i was trying to find some sort of representation beyond just the colors and movement (like, some sort of deeper meaning). and when i couldn't really do that, i was thinking about the fact that we're capable of changing how we think. if we want to calm down, we don't just "calm down" obviously it's not that simple. we have to calm down by repeatedly telling ourselves, during times of stress, that we don't have to feel badly. eventually (ideally) we would just be able to be calm because we've conditioned ourselves that way.

so of course, i had to know how the "finding meaning" in the patterns is relevant. my life, if i'm honest with myself, isn't exactly "good". i constantly go through periods of thinking i "get life", and periods of "i have no idea how to do this whole mess". so i was hoping to come to some sort of realization on psychedelics that would guide me away from this cycle of understanding/non understanding and lack of meaning in general. but yesterday i realized that all i can do is keep doing what i'm doing. i can't just find something in a second, can't just "discover life". it's not easy. all i can do is make sure i stop trying to get it, even if i never actually do.

so basically i was expecting to figure out how to do it differently, how to live differently. but all i realized was that, regardless of how hard it is, all that i'm capable of doing is just going on the way i do.

hope it makes sense.

 

I realized that I'm mortal.
still working on coming to terms with that.

 

your body is mortal. Your soul, your divine light is eternal.

 

Yes, it makes sense Cherokee. Whether or not you know it, you are enlightened.

 

Shrooms pretty much have their way with you at high doses. With practice, acid can be bent to your will, and may be a better candidate for real psychological work, in my subjective opinion.

There is probably lots of literature, subjective experiences, objective observations, and anectdotal evidence to refute my statement. For example, I think the most recent sanctioned research in America was done with psilocybin.

Sounds like you did figure out a bunch of stuff though, which is cool.

 

i have yet to try mushrooms at very high doses; the trip i wrote about was with 1.3 grams (although i had also taken passionflower extract before i ate them, so the MAOI might have had some effect).

i guess in the past, i went through a lot of cycles of "i understand, now i don't, now i do" etc etc (not necessarily on drugs, in fact most of this confusion is when i'm sober). i'd always feel like i hadn't really learned anything new, if i was just going to lose that knowledge later. but what i learned on friday is important... i have to go through all of this, it's the only possible way for me to grow. it may be uncomfortable, and frustrating, but for now it's all i can do. that's something that can't ever leave me.

 

I recommend reading Journey of Awakening by Ram Dass. It can really help explain the fluctuations, how sometimes you feel you've got it and sometimes you feel you've lost it. And it can help you get to an understanding of what's going on where you can ride those waves, instead of being controlled by them.

Basically:
There is no point
There is no end
There is no nothing
You have nothing to apologize for
You have nothing to be afraid of
You will always exist
You are not your emotions
Everything is meaningful
Life is funny
Relax

 

revelations, are just thoughts. even as fanciful and as important as they may seem they are just thoughts, and inherently empty.

its not thoughts that are important, but experiences.
the path is the goal.

 

I don't see that way.

To me there is no goal. The path is the goal. The goal is the goal. Sure experiences are important, but you will forget them. It is what you are experiencing now that really matters. :cheers2:

 

i realized the only thing that matter is each other. everything else is bullshit. we have a short time here and make the most of it. be true to ourself and fellow beings.

 

you just repeated what i said and then completely contradicted yourself.

 

i disagree.

realizations like this make living a lot more peaceful. i will still be thinking the same things, doing what i've been doing, but now i understand that it is my place. i understand that this cycle is all i really have.

that's just my personal opinion. that's how it is for me.

 

No, you said the path is the goal. IMO the path is not the goal. This would mean that a series of experiences that any given person lives through is the ultimate goal.
There is no goal, saying the path is a goal is a massive over-simplification. What any human is currently manifesting in their mind is all that matters. If I were to forget everything I had ever done, it is only what I feel in this instant that matters to me from then on.
There are many paths, take path A, B, C, Tomato, octogon, or sunset. It doesn't matter at all. They are all equally as valid, they all end in death. The goal is god, which can be fleeting or permanent but to say that a series of experiences is the goal to me is ridiculous.
Experiences are cool and all and so are revelations, what I am saying is that they are both really inconsequential. It is only in when we find truth in the moment that it really means anything.

This also probably contradicts itself 4 times, too many drugs, too little sleep, what can you do, :cheers2:

 

that makes absolutely no sense at all. you are completely contradicting yourself.again.

what your mind manifests = thoughts. they are just thoughts. symbolic constructions to describe our experience of reality. what matters more to me is being present without conditioning.

i never said a series of experiences was the goal. i was quite clear in saying the path is the goal.

to say the path is the goal, means the simple act of being aware, of direct naked apprehension of any and every moment or experience and to embrace them all fully .that is to truly live life. radical acceptance of whatever happens, the good and the bad. each moment unfolding into the next, in an infinite NOW.

experience is important because it shapes us, and any experience gives us an opportunity to be present and practice the path of greater awareness.

 

First off, you took me out of context. In my first post I contradicted myself three different ways. This was meant to show triviality of the entire idea of a goal. The goal is god. God is everything, which includes the path and everything else.

I agree with you. When I say manifestation of the mind, I am referring to what a person experiences without conditioning. That was unclear, my mistake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_(topology)

a path is a interconnected series. For a moment to be taken in a truly unbiased manner it must have no connection to any previous of future moments. This does not fit the mold of a path.

Like I said before, for things to exist naked, as they truly are, they must exist entirely independent of one another. One moment unfolding into the next creates a path or series of interconnected events.

Experience does shape us, but the whole point is to become shapeless. To exist within but independent of our conscious reality. If you live constantly within the moment there is no need for opportunity.


I may wake up tomorrow reread everything I have written today and cringe. I am very out of it at this point.

 

That's just your thought, and your way of viewing that thought.

 

ya'll niggas need to shut the fuck up about them mothafuckin paths and them mothafuckin goals ya heard

realize this: blah blah blah i'm right you're wrong blah blah blah

 

"beyond right and wrong there is a field; i'll meet you there"

-Jalal Ad-din Muhammad Rumi

 

I realized something my first trip that I guess I've always known but never considered. You can be experiencing possibly the most beautiful, magnificent thing that you've ever experienced in your life, but if you have no one to share the experience with then it's almost like you just don't even want it to be that beautiful if you have to experience it by yourself. And I don't understand why we can't ever fully enjoy anything unless we can share it.

 

The first time that I did shrooms, I came to a whole bunch of realizations. I realized that perception is reality. I make my reality. All that matters is what I do. Nothing else. I realized that I cannot fix any problems in this world without first fixing myself. I saw the beauty in all people, and the beauty that could be. I saw that what you put out, you get back, that goes for violence and peace. If I live a life of peace, than that is what my life will bring about, even if the results don't come until after I am gone. I pretty much got the meaning of life. My first trip changed my whole way of thinking. For the better I hope. My second trip, I realized that walls taste bland and the fuzzy stuff on TV is very interesting. Not so life altering, that one.