Ending All War.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Jimbee68, Jun 17, 2024.

  1. Jimbee68

    Jimbee68 Member

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    Something I've wondered since HS. Why do we still have wars. I bring up high school, because they taught us there that the First World War was called "The war to end war". H. G. Wells first called it that in 1914. But there have been many wars since them. Not as bad, but some pretty bad still.

    Why do we still have wars. Violence is not only never justified. It's unnecessary now. Humans are less violent. We don't fight duels anymore for example. Diplomacy is made easier by easier modes of communication, better relations, and more resources. Leading to less things like poverty and unrest.

    Also, I actually agree that threat of violence is sometimes unavoidable. But why take it beyond that. For example, people still sometimes say, we had to drop the atom bombs in Japan that ended World War II in 1945. Because the Emperor of Japan would have never left. He was perfect and infallible, the descendant of the sun goddess. And he had nothing to lose by prolonging the war indefinitely. In fact, they point out, probably more people would have died if we didn't drop those two atom bombs. But response is, then why drop it on those populated cities? Drop it on a deserted island. And then tell the emperor. And then say, see what we can do? And if still refused to leave, start bombing his many royal palaces. But only while unoccupied.

    I also wonder about other things, like the Second Gulf War, started in 2003. People said it was all about ousting Sadam Hussein. But like I thought back then. Then why not just march into Iraq under cover of darkness and arrest Hussein? It took them 8 years to find him, I know. But they could have done what I described.

    So why is war still necessary? What alternatives can be used now? And whatever happened to the pacifist movement to end all wars. Not in US in the 1960's. But from 1914?
     
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  2. kinulpture

    kinulpture Member

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    A reason it aint gone away. Is bcuz its romanticized in films etc. Even on here violent media is thought of as sorta fun cute etc. & we dont notice it. Bcuz we dont wanna seem weak etc. We are & havebeen hypnotized simply put. & those who hypnotize us are among otherthings entertained by our struggles.
     
  3. kinulpture

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    We are their bread & butter. They need for us to be disorganized. Dont accomodate them. Make the concept of peace as cool as it used to be. What did our movement degenerate into? & plz dont say we are as used to be. Too obvious we aint.
     
  4. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    When the banks and the marching morons decide who win, War Never Ends!

    To Asians, if you take away a man's job, you might as well kill him, because the money is doing all the talking worth listening to.
     
  5. Ajay0

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    War is good business.

    As Assange stated , a long unsuccessful war is more profitable than a short successful war.

    The stock values of westen defence companies have skyrocketed after the Ukraine invasion as well as the Hamas-Israel conflict.

    Politicians profit as military stocks soar since Hamas-Israel conflict

    Defence industry shares soar on western backing for Ukraine

    Ukraine: the world’s defence giants are quietly making billions from the war

    It is my view-point that JFK was taken out because he stood in the way of escalation of the Vietnam war, which would be profitable to the deep state entities.

    Kennedy was a former naval officer and was familiar with the Korean war a decade back which lead to American defeat and the loss of 36000 American soldiers.

    Kennedy had send military advisors and special forces to Vietnam to aid the south Vietnamese army, but was wary of sending in armed troops, as he probably accurately assessed the situation as leading to an another disaster similar to the Korean war with American defeat and heavy losses. (Even the casualties of the military advisors and special forces he sent was high.

    President Kennedy increases military aid to Saigon | November 16, 1961 | HISTORY

    He stood in the way of huge profits of the military-industrial complex by deciding against a war that could lead to a similar disaster like the Korean war .

    After his untimely death, his cautious policy was reversed and American troops were sent to Vietnam. The war ended in American defeat again as well as loss of 54000 American troops. However the military industrial complex made huge profits due to the huge budget allocations to it for more than a decade.
     
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  6. Coachdb18

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    War has always been with us since we began to socialize with each other, as it is in our nature to have conflict. Even the monkeys, our ancestors experience conflict. In my studies of estuarine ecology, I found it amazing how even coral polyps conduct biological/chemical warfare against those other corals in the neighborhood, and in fact they are a source for many of the toxins and poisons that we militarize. History is replete with those who invented weapons for the sole purpose of making war unthinkable. So we have the ancient Chinese inventing gunpowder and firearms. Take Alfred Nobel, inventing dynamite originally so people would be too afraid to fight. We've managed to use this invention very effectively to destroy each other. Same story for Oppenheimer, and the doctrine of MAD with the atomic bomb. Fact is, we must always be prepared for peace thru the practice of war.
     
  7. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    War is just another word, used and abused by everyone, along with the dictionary.

    When nobody can agree upon the definition of stupid, they declare war on even the kitchen sink.

    Ending all wars requires figuring out who the hell is teaching everyone to make up even their own definitions for words.
     

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