Election 2004

Discussion in 'Canada' started by jiimaan, May 24, 2004.

  1. jiimaan

    jiimaan Banned

    Looks like we got ourselves another election. Personally, I'm not sure why it's been called since Martin technically doesn't have to until December 2005. Either way, the Liberals are in for a rough ride. Should be interesting.
  2. Just4laughs

    Just4laughs Member

    You know I was a die hard Liberal supporter but not any more. This will be the first time I actualy pay attention to the issues.
  3. Brocktoon

    Brocktoon Banned

    Gad.. dont get me started...

    Paul Martin and the Liberals who are the most arrogant, self-assured smug group of insiders who have destroyed the Poors and actually have the arrogant balls to look the public in the eye and pretend to be 'for the working man'...

    Stephen Harper .. ya, no question I want to vote for a change and some non-bullshit party - but you JUST KNOW that once they get in it will be more destruction of the Poors so the middle-class can still have cute cute lifestyles.
    Then stupid shit like keeping the minimum wage lower and lower (compared to inflation) so Poor-asses will have NO choice but to work for cheap for 'pro-business' Canada.

    NDP.. oh for F's sakes. Oh ya. they will 'help the poor' alright. Huge gigantic Social Services offices with lots of comfy salaries for 'Social engineers'.
    LOTS of great jobs for anyone wanting to run the welfare state they will create.
    Oh... and Feminists and Gays will get billions in subsidies while the Poors will get slightly more social services money.

    Im sorry Im cynical but I used to be a 'lefty' until I 'got mugged by reality'.
    Then I was a full-fledge Ralph Klien 'righty' supporter until I realised that the asshole was willing to fuck-over the poorest people just so shitty businesses could come use up Alberta's Poors.

    My wish list for PM and Party Leadership.

    Deb Grey (so sad Canada's Iron Lady retired)

    Preston Manning (YES.. I thought he was awesome)

    oh.. and I voted Liberal when Chretien got in the first time too...


    ... I swear to goodness Im going to vote for Gilles Duceppe!
  4. Just4laughs

    Just4laughs Member

    See at this point I will vote for anyone but the liberals or the Bloc. Every time I hear PM and Bloc in the same sentence I can't help but think of seperation. I would rather shot my self before I would stop calling myself a Canadian.
  5. Brocktoon

    Brocktoon Banned

    I know the feeling JustepourRire ;)

    I just like Gilles Duceppe because I think he might be the only politician in Canada that actually believes in his cause and is completely honest about his intentions.
    Its come to a point where the candidate who has the least amount of Bullshit wins my vote .. regardless of what party he is in.

    Thats where Ive come to now... admiring Gilles Duceppe LOL!
  6. Scholar_Warrior

    Scholar_Warrior Be Love Now

    Kerry sucks, Bush blows. welcome to the downward spiral.
  7. jiimaan

    jiimaan Banned

    Actually, I think Jim Harris of the Green Party is pretty committed to his party's policies, but most people don't exactly know this since the party receives almost no attention from the media.

    As for the NDP; I think when it comes down to it, none of the parties can ever eliminate poverty, but the NDP is certainly the most sympathetic towards the poor and working class. Just look at the party's origins and history. Remember, should the NDP get elected, Corporations will remain powerful and will hamper attempts by the NDP to better the condition of the poor. Change unfortunately takes time, which is often too long.
  8. Brocktoon

    Brocktoon Banned

    An interesting idea that I encourage everyone to consider.

    Vote YOUTH.

    Its not so much about Party lines but generational lines. The 'Baby Boomers' have every intention of continuing any and all policies which suit their values (being THE number one generation and also 'The society' )

    Vote for the youngest possible candidates and let the new generation begin taking over.

    Do you know what some fucking assholes keep telling young people?

    "Well... when 'you' get older their may not be any social security..."

    And young people ALLOW that!?!

    FUCK YOU.. you fucking yuppies dont you even DARE to tell me that becuase I will vote in young people and demand they TAKE YOUR RETIREMENT away from YOU!

    Vote Youth and then you will see REAL change!
  9. Brocktoon

    Brocktoon Banned

    Sorry folks, Ol' Brocktoon got a little angry there.

    It just makes me angry when I hear arrogant comments from a wealthy older generation to young people "Hey.. guess what kids.. we spent your security.. so too bad for you"

    Ironically, this older generation in power today, would have stormed the Parliament in fiery protest when they were young people in the 60's, had 'the man' threatened to take away their security!
  10. jiimaan

    jiimaan Banned

    Your anger is understandable. It is disconcerting to here things about the social security system falling apart; I'll admit that I'm no expert on the topic, but I tend to view the hooplah surrounding social security much as I do outcries about the deficit. You have to ask yourself: just who's fomenting these outcries? In terms of the deficit, if you read Linda McQuaig's "Shooting the Hippo" you'll learn that it was a neocon agenda: frighten the public into thinking that the deficit is huge, and that we have to cut funding to social programs; then divert this money to certain corporate interests, etc. etc. In terms of social security, I tend to think it's the banks; these people have devised their own long-term savings programs, and want to fear-monger people into investing into them. It's plausable; wierder things have happened. Anyway, I think in the end the voters have to realize that such things can occur under governments that are sympathetic to or controlled by certain corporate interests. That's why I tend to favour parties that I feel are more sincere in their assertion that they stand for the common person.

    Incidently, I think your idea about voting for youth is good, but unfortunately there are some younger politicians who can be just as slimy as their older counterparts. I actually thought that Peter MacKay was a good politician, until he did an about face and suddenly spearheaded the merger with the Canadian Alliance. Now I think he's a real weasel.
  11. Brocktoon

    Brocktoon Banned

    Yep.. it was a bank official that said to my face - there may not be social security when I get older.

    I told one older lady at my City Hall that if I find out that Social Security has been taken away from todays young people - Im going to vote in young people to change the laws and take money away from the 'Baby boomers' retirement funds.

    She could not seem to grasp the idea that this was possible and that her generation could ever have something 'done to them'.

    Im so cynical now.. I used to be a lefty (when i was a foolish teenager) then I was a dedicated Tory supporter, then a 'Red-book believer' ..... Now Im fully aware they are all absolute bullshit liars who OWN the Canadian public and will do exactly what they want, when they want and nobody will stop them.

    How do they keep doing this?
    Because Canadians will not do anything about it.
    They wont.
  12. nimh

    nimh ~foodie~

    yup, we're a pretty complacent bunch, us canadians. give us some hockey and some beer, and we're happy.
  13. jiimaan

    jiimaan Banned

    The was something in the news a short while ago about an NDP candidate from Toronto named Max Silverman. The guy's 18 years-old. He's one of about 20 "youth" candidates that are running for the NDP in the election.
  14. Brocktoon

    Brocktoon Banned

    Sadly almost all of those youth are being put in 'sacrificial' ridings.

    Mark it on your calendars folks... Brocktoon just might vote for some socialist lefty Jewish kid from Toronto...lol!

    (Meh.. then Id have to move to Toronto and that isnt worth it ;)
  15. jiimaan

    jiimaan Banned

    What difference does it make if he's Jewish? The kid's 18 years-old and has the composure of a veteran politician.
  16. Brocktoon

    Brocktoon Banned

    I really have no idea who the kid is but I am going to hope that it does make a difference to his values and world view if he is Jewish.

    I also hope his age says something about his values and world view as well.

    It may not... but I hope it does.
  17. FNA

    FNA Member

    Holy shit! Mr. Belvedere died? Noooooooooooooooooooo.

    And boo to all of Canada's parties. We'll never get one as good as Chretien again.
  18. Brocktoon

    Brocktoon Banned

    Streaks on the china,
    never mattered before,
    who cares.

    When you dropped kicked your jacket
    As you came through the door,
    No one glared.

    But sometimes things get turned around
    And no one’s spared.
    All hands look out below
    here’s a change in the status quo.
    Gonna need all the help that we can get.

    According to our new arrival
    Life is more than mere survival
    We just might live the good life yet.

    God Bless you Guy who played Mr Belvedere!

  19. OSF

    OSF Señor ******

    If it is going to be as close as they say. Possible conservative minority than maybe I'll vote. But only to spite the liberals.

    No real conservative would ever vote. The idea is ludacris.
  20. Mr MiGu

    Mr MiGu King of the Zombies

    do you have to spite the whole country at the same time? (assuming you meant you were voting conservative)

    harpers ideas for this country really scare me

    i think martin has some good ideas, but i dont know if it would be worth putting him back into office to see if he will stick to his promises.

    layton seems to have some good ideas as well, especially that of legalizing marijuana

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