Einstein and two clocks

My understanding of something Einstein said is that if I have two atomic clock calanders both of which keep perfect time. Then one of the clocks is put on a spaceship that travels at the speed of light to a distant galaxy and back, and one is kept on the earth, when the ship returns to earth the clock calanders will now read different dates and times. I dont really understand how this could be.
Is it possible to find a very good explanation that makes it clear as day exactly how this could be the case?

 

Look up "time dilation."

 

This is the case

Why it happens that motion slows at nearlightspeed.
[the clock slows relative to the one on earth]
Is unknown to humans. Dont believe any human whos says they know
how it happens.
Scientific method is berift of ideas of how time dilation works.

Time seems to be just the 'rate of process' of objective law.
How this is a variable dependent on delta V is a mystery

Occam

 

oh shit, i thought i read the title "Einstein and 2 cocks"

ive always wanted to see einstein take 2 cocks in black and white

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sorry double post

 

Is Einsteins theory pretty much universally accepted by physicists and mathematicians or is there a lot of debate?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
not very informative and badly written thats why I asked

looks like theres not much way of working this out unless you know a lot of mathematical symbols
http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/sr/time.html

Ah a fairly simple explanation
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061121145305AA0LIYF

If I dont know much mathematics is it going to be pointless for me to say that somehow einstein seems to have got things wrong?
Is it just going to be impossible to get far on that one?
Ok so I would say that 10 minutes is 10 minutes suppose a spaceship clock travels for ten minutes at slightly less than the speed of light in a round trip.
why has the earthclock aged more I think both clocks would have identical times only the distances travelled by the shipclock would be greater

 

Special relativity (the part you are talking about) has been very accurately measured. Indeed its combinations with Quantum mechanics gives the most accurate theory ever devised. Its right at the bottom of my list of theories to be proved wrong. Sorry I cant really do a good job of explaining it here without diagrams all I can suggest is get a book or keep searching the web. Incidentally the equation on the Colorado website starting with gamma (the y shaped thing) is kind of key to time dilation, it maybe necessary to get to that level of maths to understand it. Dont be put off by funny shaped greek letters just replace them with normal ones. Getting to that equation is essentially just trig.

 

Sentient.

One sec/per/sec is he same for all subjective experience.
For humans depends on process rate.. no more.
[but for cockaroach or MI,,not the same, faster neural reponse]
10 mins on earth at 1s/p/s is 1 second @1s/p/sec on ship @ 99.9999 lightspeed.
[total guestimate here, only for example]
Process rate of objective law as applied to mater on ship at 99.9999 C
is reduced by 600 over process rate of objective law as applied to
mater on earth.
Any mass at near lightspeed has atomic function slowed by
X depending on delta V.

Thus for example.. If an alien ship passed through sol system at 99.9999%
C. The 'crew' would observe the whole system flash past in a few minutes.
Or less
While we would see it take 12 hours to pass. [approx, 1/2 a light day]

Occam may be totally wrong on this, Yet he generates the proposition from
NO formal education on the subject. Only from general knowlege.
Something is FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG with our system of education.
Why did occam have to go into his nephews school and tell the science teacher he was talking crap.?
[He ws saying there ws no indicative evidence of singularities]

Occam

 

But even so theres nothing to suggest that time is any different the clocks on the ship and on earth would read the same but only the distances travelled would be different. If I am in space and travel 1,850,000 miles in ten seconds all that means is that during 10 seconds I travelled faster than people on earth which in its orbit travelled 60 miles - theres no reason why the clocks would now be matched differently is there? I just went further around earths orbit in the same amount of time thats what going faster means. Why that should mean time becomes different for me than you I do not know?
I think one day someone is going to be reading his original papers that he presented for this and they will smack their head on a desk and say "waid a minu-u-u-te hold it everyone its official, einstein was lying to us, did anyone bother to check this shit for themselves"?
or didya just lap up what he was saying and thought someonelse had worked it out for you?
look this here says 2+2=5 thats gotta be a joke right guys
hey and look he even drew an emoticon winking at us- jeez we bin pwned"!

 

Sentient

As said before
We humans experience one second per second.
THAT, is based on the processing rate of Natural law.
On the ship at 99.9999% C that 'processing rate' is not the same as earth.
It is FAR slower.

ALL mass on the ship processes slower.
Time equals motion.
If motion is slowed.
So is time.
If motion stops. there is no time.

Time dilation applied to a 'ship' alters the application of all rates of process of objetive law appon the ship.

This is not pure theory
It has been verified in colliders where particles that can only exist for X time. Exist far longer depending on velocity. They are in slow time and last longer to us as observers in fast time.
Particle x always exists for less at .5 C
Than it does at .99 C
It's 'decay rate' is reduced due to time dilation.

Cessium clocks placed at poles and equator go out of synch
The faster equatorial clocks lag.
Many similar experiments confirm.

Occam

 

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Shaggie

Occam must say that he comes across a 'bump' in the road to understanding
when speaking of time dilation.
He has [so far dodged] a significant problem.

Waiting for someone like you to come along.

On the 'ship' at 99.9999C. to continue as 'normal' requres that the speed of light is also 'slowed' in exact proportion to the rest of natural process.
To resolve this requires the concept that the 'ship' is isolated/ a subset.
That ALL mass is a subset dependent on delta V.
That reality maintains such subsets independently.
That the SOL IS 300K.km/sec and is maintained as such within each subset.
That the SOL on earth, relative to the ship. is not the same.
If time dilation is fact. then this must be the case.

Occam

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Shaggie

By this do you speak of 3 dimensions 'processing'
Thus the 4th is a product of the deltaV of the 3 dimensions ?
IS the 4th a 'rate of process' [due to deltaV] of a 3d mass in a 3d universe.
A universe that is actually a huge clump of subsets of 3d mass
all doing their thing. thus the total is a 4d universe.
A 3d base with X subsets running at all possible variants of deltaV up to but not including C itself.
And within each subset. C is invariable.

This is difficult to explain.. need you on couch with a bourbon so we can
talk about it face to face.
And as carlin would say, 'chow down on some fried dough'


Occam

This 'concept' is actually clear to occam. He can even visualise
it to an extent. If, as you say C is invariant no mater the deltaV
of the observer.
But. SEEing outside the local area will produce what?
Blue or red shifted reality clustered on the x axis, ahead or behind.
As spec fiction phd's in astrosphysics suggest?

Amazing are we humans, some as a hoby fix cars, some build models
[as occam used to], some spend all their time DL'ing porn.
Occam now spends his time, an uneducated pleb, in pondering the
systems and laws governing the makeup of of our local reality.
Government true does, have a lot to fear.

 

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Ill have a go but im not very good at explaining relativity. Richard Feynman said unless you can explain something to a freshman then you don't understand it yourself. I fear relativity is something Ive learnt to use as a tool but have possibly not entirely mastered the concepts. Though given that our senses and language are inherently 3D im not sure how far we can truely conceptualize it, ill stop making excuses now, but that is a valid area of scientific philosophy, particularly as the number of dimensions seems to grow almost daily.

Ok Einstein started relativity with 2 postulates. 1) Absolute motion cannot be detected. 2) The speed of light is the same regardless of any motion of the origin of the light. The 1st one means that if you are isolated in space and an object floats by, how do you know which is moving? Infact if you are on a train at a railway station and you stare at another train so that you ignore what you know is fixed, (i.e. the platform), if your train starts to move often you can think its the other one moving, until you feel the acceleration of shaking kick in. To think about postulate 2 think about being in a car on a motorway (highway, autoroute, autobahn.....) if you are doing 70mph and another car passes you at 80mph in your frame of reference (the idea of a frame is very important in relativity) that car appears to be doing 10 mph as where to someone in the rest frame the car appears to be doing 80mph. Postualte 2 simply means that for all 3 frames light appears to be travelling at c, this is not because it is so much faster than 80mph, not matter how accurate a measurement the light would appear to be doing c, I see this as the most important concept.