Eating Resin?

K I know it sounds gross but I am just wondering about it chemically.
Theoretically resin (such as that gathered from the inside of a bowlpiece) has already had the THCA activated into THC, because it was released from combusting plant material. Am I correct in thinking that resin should therefore be orally active...for instance if you packed it into a gelcap, would it not get you high if you consumed it?

Anybody know the science on this?

 

I'm not so much worried about if it'll get you high as much as the aspects of trying to digest that shit. That's like ingesting a little carcinogenic bowl obstruction just waiting to happen. Maybe I'm being a bit mellow-dramatic but are you really that bad off that you got try swallowing resin?

 

Not at all. It was just a passing curious thought. Still would like to know about the chemistry of it.

 

Fair enough. I can dig. I do too! I don't know of any studies that have really looked into the composition of post-combustion cannabis resin.

When it comes to resin opinions seem to go from "that shit gives you a headache and cancer" to "stronger high than weed". I think there are so many factors like how your smoking, how hot your buds getting, what kind of bud your smoking etc. for there to be any concrete answer about the chemical makeup.

 

That's true. Actually the heat-dynamics of the bowl probably pay a huge part. The aerodynamics of your packing style obviously has a huge impact on how hot the stuff burns, but also conceivably what gets left on the walls of the bowl. I bet bowl-shape, hole-size, and packing-style all contribute haha.

 

All the factors you mentioned effect the psychoactivity of resin. It can be as good as hash, or as bad as nothing.

But there's no reason to eat it..... It will be active, just like eating pot is.(I think some percentage of it has an extra bond somewhere or something, that heat CAN destroy...... But eat a quartersack of dank and tell me you're sober-and don't forget the other cannabinoids)

You can eat raw hash just fine, that's how it was, and still sometimes is, preferred, for a long time, and in much of the world. But that poses problems with...... Activities other than spinning into the backs of your eyelids, I think.

 

Whoa, that is an interesting assertion, RooR, I have always heard/read that weed is largely orally inactive. I imagine eating a significant amount of raw bud would be psychoactive, but the general feeling is "not getting your money's worth." My understanding was that most of the THC was in the form of THCA and had to be heated up to break that bond. Anybody know the authoritative knowledge on this?

 

A lot of the thc is still in thca form but it is constantly breaking down over time, and curing will increase this by a lot. So by eating any weed you can feel effects, but if the weed has been cured properly for a long time then it will be more effective. Heating the weed accomplishes this task as well and more thoroughly, so heating the weed before eating it will increase the effects. I believe the reason why eating weed straight is not very effective is because it is hard for your body to break down the plant fiber to get to the thc and when its stored in oil or whatever its much easier to digest. By that logic resin would be even harder to digest and therefore be not very effective, but it would probably work if you ate enough good resin.

 

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eatlysergicacid,
Why would you say that if the primary problem with eating weed is that the THC is trapped in plant cells, that resin would make it harder to digest? It would seem to me that the THC in resin is probably just floating around in a smear of unassociated, relatively simple carbon-oxygen compounds, rather than bound up inside cellulose cell-walls (our body can't digest cellulose). I just don't see why you draw the conclusion that THC in resin is harder to digest.

Orison,
What the heck are you talking about?

 

I don't really know the specifics so I may be wrong, but a ball of tar doesn't seem like the kind of thing our bodies can digest easily. Perhaps it would be easier to digest the resin than to digest the plant matter, but the point is that either way is not optimal, and would likely be a waste.

I do agree with your original statement though, that since most/all of the thca would have been converted to thc during combustion, the thc in resin would be orally active.

 

When you're locked up in jail, dont eat the window caulking.. they'll charge you with escape..

 

K.

 

I feel the need to mention that THC in plant matter is mostly in trichomes, on the surface, and we don't normally have a hard time digesting much fattier things than weed. THC in resin is in the middle of a ball of tar, which I'm sure would be digested, but might be more like a (cancerous) time release.

However, I've never eaten resin, and don't plan to. I once ate a quarter of mids that had been used to make budder, and was mildly high before, and ate one of the brownies made with the budder, and remained kinda high a few hours..... Of course most of the goodies had been washed out, and I mostly burped salty buttery weedy taste all night.

 

There seems to be quite a bit of misinformation here or just some misunderstanding of the process. I'll try to clarify. If you need, I'll find the articles and post the science.

THCA is what is normally found in pot. You can eat or juice a whole plant and never feel any of the psychoactive effects. Nor will you feel the effects from eating hash, unless it has had the THC altered. Cured pot may have some effect if it has been around long enough for the following process to occur.

The descriptions of heating are close. You have to heat the THCA to get it to drop a molecule to become the active form of THC. It's called decarboxilation.
Quote from Ed Rosenthal : Marijuana produces THCA, an acid with the carboxylic group (COOH) attached. In its acid form, THC is not very active. It is only when the carboxyl group is removed that THC becomes psychoactive. When marijuana is smoked, the THC behind the hot spot is vaporized as the hot air from the burn is drawn through the joint or pipe bowl to the unburned material. The liquid THC and other cannabinoids have a boiling point of between 180-200? C (355-392? F). Before they turn gaseous, at around 106? C (220? F), the carboxyl group is released from the molecule as carbon dioxide and water vapor.

The process takes place slowly at low temperatures but speeds up as temperature is increased. So, putting your pot in the oven at say 250 F for 20 to 30 minutes will accomplish this. You now have active THC that you can consume in any way that you like.

So, it depends on whether you want to take the resin or oil to get high or if you want to take it as a medicine and not feel any psychoative effects. Once you decide, you can make it into an oil in any of the normal ways and put the oil into 00 or 01 gell caps. For strictly medicinal caps, you can use the BHO method of extracting or the alcohol method (one turns out amber, the other is a green colour from the chlorophyll). Or just grind up the vegetable matter to put into the caps. If you want to get high, heat it to decarboxilate then do your extraction.

Someone also mentioned the digestion factor. Pot or the extracts are very good for you. Firstly, being a killer of cancer, it will help with any GI tract cancers and also help any ulcers. It's good for the liver too, but I can't remember the medical reason on that one.

I hope this helps

Peace

 

Go ahead and post the "science", I'll fucking shred it. Most of what you've posted is malarkey.

Rosenthall ain't a scientist, hes a pot advocate.
Try to come up with something less biased please.

actually don't bother, I'm done with this bullshit

 

Interesting . .. anger .. why? .. just because the chemistry was described by someone. His is not the only description available. Do you have a better and more accurate description? I'd be interested in seeing it.

 

Not all the THC is thca, and it still naturally breaks down.

Once again, hash was eaten raw for many thousands of years in many places, and still is. It's quite possible to have an intense overdose experience doing this.

You read someone describing a carboxyl group and think you're an expert on what will and will not get you high.

As far as I know, the idea that thca doesn't get you high is pure speculation, and it discounts the fact that smoking is much more direct, efficient, and intense than oral administration.

Besides, most of the medical reason for using pot is analgesic effects, or things like lowered eye pressure-things that come from it's bioactivity. So there's just about no effect as a medicine if you take inactive pot.

*edit*even your source says that it's "not very active", which is NOT the same as inactive........ And as such, does not support your silly claims. Furthermore, for the reasons I described, it's a bit hard to know how active it is, given that thc must be heated for inhalation.

As far as cookery goes, if it was not heated THC would be dissolved much more slowly, as you know if you passed HS chemistry, so there would just be less there. "green dragon", or a tincture made of pot soaked for a long time in ethanol, is a well known way of getting fucked out of your skull, no heating involved.

 

This is pretty much what I've been saying. What you're saying is that you have to decarboxylate weed before you eat it to get the full effect, and smoking it accomplishes this faster but less thoroughly. Yes? So resin should contain active thc being that it is the buildup of tar from the smoke containing the active post-decarboxylation thc.

So the only question is whether or not your stomach could digest resin to access the thc within it, which you didn't comment on. Also you agree that weed has some active thc in it from being cured over a long time, so it should follow that some effects could be felt from eating raw weed, however nowhere near optimal. So the other question that we've had is how easy is it to digest plant matter in order to access the thc within it?

 

I'll try not to get 'hammered' on the science part again. There are hundreds of sites that are available for anyone who wants to research. Many of them are only forums, but if someone were to take the time, there are the university studies and medical institutions.

Firstly, @Roor ... "So there's just about no effect as a medicine if you take inactive pot."

I have to disagree. There are 66 known cannabinoids in pot and most of the benefits are not coming from the THC. CBD provides many of the benefits. Among others is the hypoglycemic effect of lowering your blood sugar. That makes it very helpful for diabetics. One recent study found that due to it's vasodilation effect and ability to lower blood pressure that it can help to prevent a stroke or reduce the possible damage by up to 50%.

Although pain relief is one of the main reasons for prescribed cannabis, that certainly is not the only medicinal value to it. The analgesic comes from both THC and CBD and research continues to find out what else contributes to that pain killing effect.

If I may, without offending anyone again, I'd like to provide a list of the benefits of cannabis that has been researched by someone else who has also provided the bibliography of her research. This person has accumulated a very substantial list.
https://www.greenpassion.org/index.php?/topic/26942-grannys-mmj-list-january-2011/

"You read someone describing a carboxyl group and think you're an expert on what will and will not get you high."

I am no expert, don't claim to be. All I can do is read and learn from what others that are experts have to say. I found an article in a magazine and from there got curious and researched as much as I could. I don't rely on just one source. Like most, I have to rely on the expertise of others to provide the evidence to support their statements. I try to describe what they have said as best I can, but if that comes out incorrect, I apologize. That's why I try to have the direct quote or description that experts have provided.

These articles that I read are done by journalists and scientists. They provide bibliographies and I rely on both the author and the studies to be correct.

Certainly, YouTube is no Phd professor or research scientist either, but I found this clip to be very informative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa0nLdVJiIg"]Leaf - YouTube

Peace and Good Health