E U Superstate Blueprint

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Vanilla Gorilla, Jun 29, 2016.

  1. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160628/1042075609/poland-france-germany-eu-superstate.html


    Good lord

    Defense, tax tiers, immigration and financial policy all decided by Brussels

    The Fourth Reich?
     
  2. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    I can’t find any official news on this I mean Sputnik is a propaganda outlet wholly owned and operated by the Russian government and the TVP is well know as a Polish government mouthpiece.

    Have you a reputable source for this because it seems like anti-EU propaganda and the Polish hardline right wing Law and Justice party (PIS) is very anti the EU because –

    The European Union began an unprecedented inquiry on Wednesday into whether Poland's new conservative, Eurosceptic government has breached the EU's democratic standards by taking more control of the judiciary and public media.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-poland-eu-idUKKCN0UR1LI20160113

    Seems a bit fishy to me, I think I’ll wait and see.
     
  3. BlackBillBlake

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    Isn't Sputnik George Galloway's show? You'd expect any kind of nonsense from Gorgeous George. Like Boris, his main goal is self promotion.

    But I for one would welcome a more integrated Europe.
     
  4. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Ok

    Here is the full text

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article192564.html

    And it seems pretty reasonable very un-Forth Reichish if you ask me, just proposals and ideas for moving forward.

    Sorry Van but I think you are getting played by Putin amongst others and by the way are you going to answer any of the outstanding questions you've left hanging in those other threads?
     
  5. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Mmmmm Hmmmm, the sun and telegraph are running the story, there is also a piece out there by Boris himself, all easily googled.

    But there is no use following that argument is there, you are just going to critisize any source that doesnt say what you like

    There arent really enough people here on HF that care about this topic

    All the outstanding questions in those other threads are the ones you havent answered, if the question gets to hard you just give me the run around. It will just be the same tactics again here.

    PR asked the most basic of those, what is so great about the EU? But by all means, dont answer that, and waft on about the NHS, the UN and "distributive justice"


    Not that it matters anyway, its only if everything turns to shit in the next 4 weeks will anyone be able to reverse the referrendum result, and its already obvious thats not going to happen. Past those 4 weeks, it'll all be old news, not enough people will care
     
  6. Balbus

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    Van



    I’m not saying the letter by Jean-Marc Ayrault (Prime Minister of France from 16 May 2012 to 31 March 2014) and Frank-Walter Steinmeier (German Minister for Foreign Affairs) didn’t exist - it’s just that the way you were portraying it seemed rather hysterical especially the implication that it was somehow Nazi like.

    And when I found the actually letter which anyone can read and it turns out you where been a bit OTT.



    I don’t know why you think lying improves your position?

    I addressed Rats post, I didn’t mention the UN and I bought up the NHS only to try and explain social and distributive political policies to you. I’m now getting the feeling from your replies that you have neither the inclination nor the capacity to understand.



    If you mean the UK leaving the EU then that is going to matter for a generation not a month.

    But I think that is one of the problems because this is what many on the right want the ill informed to believe and some people like you don’t seem able to concentrate on what is important and can be easily manipulated and distracted by right wing propaganda. Just as you were with the letter.
     

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