Dutch Government Collapses, To Withdraw from Afghanistan

Let them decide their own way of life, Government.
If that means Taliban, so be it.
All those war lords and what-not controlled that region their own way for hundreds of years before we started meddling.
If we (NATO) want to help them, it should be with food and humanitarian aid, not bombs.

 

Considering we invaded Afghanistan and have been pumping guns into rebel groups for more then 30 years we have more then the moral obligation to prop this country up now.

We should've just said the same thing to the Bosnians when the Serbs were massacring them, here's some food, but you guys should control your own internal politics, jeez guys c'mon get your shit together.

 

Enough,the U.S. needs to stop playing big daddy to the world.

 

And let Afghanistan fall to shit again, which the Soviet Union and US basically caused in the first place? So that's your brilliant plan?

 

Staying in Afghanistan is fulfilling its purpose - keeping the military-industrial complex and its affiliated arms industry greased and fed. The conflict will be maintained even against popular support long enough to find another reason to feed the complex (Iran, Korea, Venezuela - who knows, but it'll find something saleable)

 

Lolz

 

May I please post a reply without a lesson from you? Thank you so very much.
I understand that you are a conservative, however everyone is not.Again please don't troll my replies simply because you are in under the illusion of the right wing.

 

No, because back up your point if you're going to post it. Do you want Afghanistan to fall into another civil war that will take the lives of another million people. Should Afghanistan really become the Somalia of the middle east.

Afghanistan has nothing to do with being liberal or conservative, it has to do with being pragmatic in the real word.

 

Civil War is the perogative and responsibility of whichever sovereign nation finds it necessary to indulge in its own particular societal evolution. The U.S. (the light of the world) found it necessary to engage in such an activity (and may yet again). You're mixing up motives, aren't you? Didn't the U.S. led nato forces attack Afghanistan as a response to the 911 attacks of Al Quaeda (and its political arm the taliban) rather than to prevent civil war there?

 

Bingo.


ZW

 

We lead an attack as a response to a terrorist attack in an unstable and reactionary country that was the way it was to begin with because of the Soviet Union, America and other developed countries.

Jesus you can't invade a country then go "good luck guys, now that we've invaded your country you're on your own, good luck" This isn't WW2, there's no front lines and orderly end to the war once the capital falls.

You really would let Afghanistan just fall to shit if you had your way.

 

Funny you want to mention Serbia, which we bombed illegally BTW, at the same time NATO was supporting atrocities right inside NATO. Turkey, for example, was carrying out, with massive US aid, huge atrocities against its Kurdish population, far worse than anything reported in Kosovo.
Also right at that time, in East Timor atrocities continued. And in fact, in early 1999, they were picking up again, with strong US support—again, far beyond anything reported in Kosovo. That’s the US and Britain, you know, the core of NATO.

 

Actually Turkey probably more of the core of nato then Britain due to location. Also there's a difference between violent oppression and straight up genocide, perhaps you should learn.

 

Also, so what, we try to do one good thing we get blamed for not stopping every terrible thing going on in the world. So what the hell do you want, do you want America to stop every single terrible thing in the world, or do absolutely nothing at all and say "fuck you, got ours " to everyone.

or maybe just find a pragmatic middle ground.

 

What I want to know is why out of all the western countries that do fucked up shit to the third world, America is the only country that ever gets brought up, yet we are also the only country that gets expected to do something when shit happens somewhere and to come to the rescue.

Why do we have such a high double standard that we can't win against.

 

Who said that was my way?

Afghanistan was a brutal, corrupt shithole before the U.S. lled operation and will still be when the U.S. leaves.

The tragedy is that the operation failed when it could have won. The point was to destroy Al Quaeda and the taliban or at least decimate them to the point of impotence. This, of necessity, would have meant chasing them right into Pakistan. Immediately following the monstrous 911 attacks, the whole civilized world was supportive of the U.S. and such an incursion would have been possible at that time.

But it would have been hard anyway and would have taken a long time to finish. So, that man-child iidiot of a president, craving to be a victorious war-president and also bowing to his owners' desire to get a foot in the door of the oil-rich middle east, decided to go for what he knew would be the much easier win over Saddam Hussein. For his own self glorification he went for the mission accomplished banner of an Iraq victory rather than the far more difficult job if destroying Al Quaeda and the taliban.

So Al Quaeda, rather than being run into the ground, has become stronger and more dug in than before and the good will of the world was squandered away over the issue of Iraq. Incursion into Pakistan to finish the job will no longer be as supported by the world community as it would have been. The opportunity may well have been lost now.

So, should the U.S. stay and keep trying? Hell, I don't know. But I do know that it's gonna take a long, long time and will require tremendous amounts of political will to endure. Will it exist long enough? I have serious doubrs about that. Unfortunately it might take another huge atrocity by Al Quaeda to re-invigorate the cause.

Next time the U.S. electorate is tempted to put a learning-disabled buffoon in the highest office of the land we can only hope they remember how badly the last one fucked up and bailed on the responsibility.

 

Afghanistan is a corrupt shit hole specifically because of American, Soviet, British, among others direct involvement. Afghanistan hasn't been a war torn country for eternity, it started in the 70's as it became the new battleground for Soviet and American proxy wars, it's about time we fix the damn mess we help create.

and Al Queda is much less dug in then before. Yemen is becoming it's new base. The Taliban are not Al Queda, they're just really similar.

 

yeah, good luck with that

 

Afghanistan is actually in much better shape then it was 5 years ago, Iraq is almost a functioning country again, it's really not that hard.

Yea terrorist attacks won't stop but it doesn't mean the country can't function, hell Ireland is one of the most developed and stable countries in the world and they had a terrorist attack today.