DPT vs. DMT

Well besides the duration, in what ways are they similar and in what ways are they different?

It seems like you hear ego loss more associated with DPT, rather than DMT.

 

ego loss is equal in both, its just that people tend to vaporize DMT, and people tend to insufflate DPT, and the difference between those 2 ROAs is that insufflation guarrantees you get your dose, while vaporizing is difficult because as you're administering the dose the effects are starting, your world begins to fractalize, "you" begin to take a backseat, etc. So with smoking DMT its just methodically difficult to achieve the same level of chemical activity as when you snort a fat rail of the propyl.

Other than that, having done them both, they take you to the exact same place, just with a bit of a different flavor. DMT is sedating, while DPT is stimulating, although both will result in you being absolutely locked down.

serious, aside from the vagaries of their chemical differences, they both arrive at the same location, its just two different brands of busses. DPT has more of a "push" to it as well perhaps, DMT feels like you're sort of falling into the experience, like youre gently dissolving, while dpt feels like youre being deconstructed at the molecular level by a billion nuclear-powered nanobots.

 

Agree.

I'm curious what DPT freebase is like in comparison, I have seen people talk about, but don't think I've seen more than a couple TR's.

lol interesting descriptions

 

I am currently reading this thread

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=377135

and am finding it probably the best source of several-line-trip-reports and otherwise comments from intelligent and experienced users. This is the best link for DPT you're gonna find IMO.

 

Do you meet entities in the DPT hyperspace like you do on DMT?

 

lol.

 

at the risk of giving the wrong vibe i'll elaborate. if you want to see hyperdimensional entities, you will. if you want to see self-dribbling basketballs, you will. if you want to see your mother telling you you've been a naughty boy for taking drugs, you will. get it?

don't want anything. just want to see what is actually there, not want some "thing" like a goody or a treat at the end of the journey. just go into it thinking "lets see what we will see", and i think youll find you emerge from it with a new perspective on the entire mckenna culture of dmt elves.

imo of course, and i've just demonized myself to much of the psychedelic community im sure.

the truth sucks, nigga.

 

I know what you mean. The only thing I really WANT/EXPECT out of the experience is full blown ego loss as everyone else has described, and I realize that in order to achieve that you must have an excruciating come up. Everything else I'll see it when it happens. Not that it would really matter though even if you did anticipate other things, as I'm sure in an ego-less state you wouldn't be asking yourself "where are the entities now?!"

 

you are going to laugh your balls silly when you finally experience dpt ego death and come back and read your posts on what you thought it was going to be

roooooooflecopters

 

Yeah ego loss is wierd, and scary. You dont need an excrutiating come up, the DPT comeup isnt that bad for me, I mean I got really anxious but that was just cause I knew that I just snorted a really fucking powerful drug and everything was going to stop making sense soon. I remember when I was tripping on DPT for the first time all I could think was that everything lost all meaning and made no sense whatsoever. then I stopped thinking that, I tried remembering things from my life but as soon as the concept visualized in my head I saw it melt away into nothing, then I felt this ALL OVER EVERYWHERE feeling of oneness, hard to describe, but It was like this white light that I could see as well somewhat that was all consciousness, I was it and it was everything, and nothing. I remember sort of falling asleep sort of and waking back up every few moments during the peak with moments of everything being clear, to being absolutely unclear.

It probably didnt help that I was watching TV though, watching TV on DPT is a big no no haha, it makes no sense and peoples heads just... dont look right. And oh man the sounds, nothing sounds right, sounds like youre in an enclosed room with every sound echoing. Wierd.

I remember at one point though I could REALLY feel my heart beating really hard in my chest, It worried me so I attempted to take my pulse, I remember counting 1, 2, 3, 4... but then I realized counting didnt matter cause I couldnt assign the numbers to an actual time so each number came at different times rather than consecutively. So that was futile. I gave up and realized it wasnt a big deal, but man that heart problem is my only real concern with DPT. IDK if its real or not but my beating heart did scare me.


I gave up on DPT though, IDK about you other DPTers on here, but DPT just doesnt work for me, it scares the living shit out of me and has always ended in an entirely bad trip where all I thought was 'when is this gonna end, why did I even do this'

 

I've never done DPT, but having ego loss on DMT, and other tryptamines did not leave me with the ability to worry about when the substance would wear off. I think if you are truly at ease with death you won't experience a "bad" trip. The thing to bear in mind is that you can always learn from the experience. Even if it wasn't an enjoyable one.
If I were you atomic I'd give DPT another shot, but you know yourself better than I do .
My first DMT trip was nothing but fear for the first 5 seconds or so, but on DMT it's hard to tell how long it really was. I went back, and will continue to do so.

 

atomic, the heart problem is not real. It's time dilation. You think your heart is beating much faster because you are registering many more beats in a given "moment", when really its just your awareness being smeared across spacetime.

keep trying man. terror doesn't mean its not for you, it means you havent figured out how to use it yet. the more you do it the more your panicked mind learns "Ok, im not LITERALLY dying, this is the drug working", and you learn to get go and go with the flow and ENJOY it. Definetely work on your setting!! TV while on tryptamines is just silly! Music is the preffered sensorial stimulant.

when you ask yourself "when is this going to end?!" follow that questions with "who is it that wants this to end?" you will see its just the phantom of fear in your awareness. that voice can be overpowering sometimes, but like a psychotic, its greatest weakness is being discovered. once you oust that voice you end it's reign for a while. think of this all as an exercize in mastering your fear; giving up now is not giving up on dpt, its giving up on yourself.

 

^^ damn.

 

Shrooms, lsd, and salvia can take you to this place as well. All you must do is Let Go. Shrooms is easier to choose whether to Let Go or not, dmt and dpt basically force you to Let Go, because before you have time to say no, you are already there!

ps. can anyone pm a dpt vendor?

 

It my firm opinion that the most important factor in all this, is dosage. You can take the most terrified-to-lose-his-ego person on earth who has never even smoked pot, but if you give that person 200mg of DPT into their nose, by god they are going to be in the most incredible state of samahdi imagineable, even if they dont understand afterwards what happened. So, the understanding of it is secondary. To actually *achieve* the grace, simply do enough.

 

dpt sounds very interesting, i will have to try this in the future.... i have only tried dmt once and it was in a bad setting for me, i was at bonnaroo and i was so excited to have finally acquired it, me and my friend decided to do it right then and there, i warned my friend that he probably didnt want to do this because he had only tripped like twice before in his life on shrooms. we didnt have the correct pipe for it and we didnt even have a weed bowl but these 2 girls overheard us talking about needing a bowl to smoke out of and called us over to their tent, they thought we wanted to smoke a bowl but i told them we were using it to smoke dmt and they had no idea what it was; so I told them what it was and they were kinda freaked out about it but were excited to see how we would react to it. So I packed a small amount of tobacco into the bowl then put some of the orange crystalline dmt on top. I inhaled it all in one hit and it tasted like plastic. Pretty much right after i exhaled i heard the very loud noise that sounded like somebody crinkling cellophane right by my ear. I didnt break through on this trip, but i was very close, my fear held me back. I saw the most intricate webbing of geometric patterns made of the most beautiful colors which i have heard called the chrysantheum pattern. but this is what scared the shit out of me, for some weird reason i got this overwhelming sense of the presence of reptiles and it was a scary feeling, i didnt see or hear any of them but i felt they were all around me, and then I looked over at the girl sitting beside me and she just looked very weird; and i could see she was talking but all I could hear was whomp whomp whomp come out of her mouth and i could see the noise come out of her mouth. after that me and my friend struggled to get up and walk over to our tent but by this time I had came down alot not all the way but a good bit. My friend didnt really know what to make of it and didnt talk much about it. I am eager to try this again and actually break all the way through. I realize that was not the right place to do that and next time will be in a much more private setting.

 

I think this true with 5-meo-dmt more than any other substance. Too little, or the wrong ROA and one will most likely experience terror and/or discomfort rather than awe.

 

I have found that LSD brings you to the same EXACT place as well. The flight path is different but they hold the same destination. On DPT, I associate myself with everything, until it all blends together. On LSD, I spread out, until I merge with the wavelength of all, and everything melts together. DMT is has a very structured feeling, and the flight path is very beautiful and precise, also its so quick.

 

DPT is wonderful, last time I did it, I wandered into the bathroom, and looked in the mirror.... Wow, I will never forget that. You would think it would kind of pull you back right? Nope, I had no fucking idea what I was looking at. It was awesome.


Atomic, increase dose please.

 

Gonna be doing a 150 dose this upcoming thursday. Things changed and this would really be the best time, as I want to experience this in the daytime when I would be able to really see the visuals on the come up and come down compared to just doing it in the dark.