Domino Presley... wow

One of the hottest, if not the hottest transsexual in adult films.... I love her site.

 

I like the idea of a chick with a dick, but neither trannies or hermaphrodites are ever attractive to me.

Most ftm transsexuals, I find repulsive, this case included.

Chicks with strap ons are the closest I can get.

 

You say that, but how do you know you've never unknowingly been attracted to a transsexual or a hermaphrodite? (Or a female with an intersex condition)

Most women with these conditions do not advertise the fact, and just try to blend in with "normal" people, and live everyday lives. You could walk past such women and not even realise they are a hermaphrodite or a "tranny". And it is a fact that many men who identify as straight have unknowingly been attracted to women with these conditions. How do you know you are not one of them?

 

How do you know I've never knowingly made a broad generalization that I believe to be the truth?

I was talking about the ones that I have seen.

Why do you always have to ruin every thread you come into about these topics? You are so militant and anal about every one being accepting and politically correct, yet you never realize how close minded you are towards us "normal people" (a category that just plain, doesn't exist)

Take some goddamn valium already.

 

I never suggested you didn't. You just read something different in what I said than I actually meant.

How did I ruin it? What did I say that isn't actually true? Nothing. And there was absolutely nothing "militant" in that post at all. The fact you are getting so defensive and attacking me for it I think says more about you than it does about me. How is pointing out a fact being "closed minded"? Straight men have unknowingly been attracted to the types of people you described, that is a fact. I fail to see how simply stating that makes me "closed minded".

I don't attack you for "ruining" every thread you post in about these topics, even though in the main, I don't agree with you in them. Because I respect your right to an opinion, and to air views that are different to my own. The fact that you can't seem to treat my views with equal respect, I think makes it a bit rich for you to call me "closed minded". Just because you find my views "politically correct" (and therefore at odds with your own views) you seem to think I have no right to air them. Seeing as it's you who seems to be foaming at the mouth, I suggest you take some valium yourself.

Yes, you're right, it doesn't exist. Hence why I always put that word in quotes.

 

Umm, Domino is my ultimate favorite. She is so talented. Her hair in this pics is my favorite. This t-girl could look great in no matter what she wears. Tennis shoes and dirty old shorts or an amazing showgirls dress. I love her!

 

I never knew she was a transsexual :leaving:

 

She does nothing for me sorry

 

She is hot. I think ashley george is hotter

 

This is a little old; but if you also wish to, we shall carry on the debate anyways. You implied that I made a broad generalization. My implication was that there is nothing wrong with broad generalizations; and they aren't always out of ignorance.

Maybe you've ruined this one, maybe we have, maybe it just didn't start off. I was referring to the fact that every time I see you post in one of these threads, you are jumping all over anyone who doesn't walk your side of the issues. Correcting their grammar; their thoughts, etc. As if you are the spokesperson and king fro all things Trans-related; and that it often chases people out of threads or starts arguments (such as the one we are having now).

You say you respect others rights' to opinion; but you sure don't seem to. I've never met any supporters or trans people themselves in daily life that are so demanding about the specific labels; or views surrounding trans-and-intersexual issues.
It's not nice to be battered with the same arguments every time I post in a thread trans-related. It takes all the enjoyment of posting out, when every time; I just end up in an argument with you about fine details, that half the time I frankly, either don't give a fuck, or haven't fully figured out my position on yet.
That's not respectful behavior.

Think of the atheists that always start shit in the christian threads, or the guys that always make rude comments to the lesbians to the point where men aren't allowed to post anymore.

Sometimes, part of being respectful, and even being a good debater, is knowing when to debate. You can't be understanding, if you're too focused on being missionary.

Are 'militant' and 'anal' really personal attacks? They are two adjectives that describe behavior; and both are adjectives that some are proud of.

 

Believe me, your approach to transpeople is frankly far more likely to "chase people out of threads" in this sub-forum than mine is. You are the equivelant of an athiest stirring things up in Christian threads, not me. This thread is a classic example, you jumped on me, and accused me of being "politically correct", for stating a fact. Not an opinion, a fact. Just because that put your nose out of joint, doesn't alter the fact at all. I didn't launch a personal attack on you (as you are doing to me here), and nor was I rude to you. What I did that's got you so worked up was state something that is a fact that made you uncomfortable.

You are a huge hypocrite. You want the right to come into trans threads and post whatever you like in them, regardless of the potential offense that might cause, yet you want to shut me up and stop me from presenting my own opinion, and my own views? Respect is something that is earned, not something that is just given. Unlike you, I believe in free speech, so have no wish to shut you up, or deny your right to post and say whatever you want to. You are accusing me of things which simply aren't true, just because you've got a bee in your bonnet about having someone expressing views on this issue that clash with your own, and that you don't like or are uncomfortable with. That is disrespectful.

You can respect someone's right to free speech, whilst also challenging their viewpoints. The two things are not mutually exclusive of each other. You think because I challenged your viewpoint I didn't repsect your right to express that view, but you're wrong. At least I didn't try to belittle your view as you tried to invalidate mine, by using the conveniant "politically correct" strawman. As if somehow all a view needs to be correct and beyond debate is to be politically incorrect.

Let me assure you, a great many transpeople would take exception to your views, especially expressing them in a forum where transsexuals look to come to for support, and understanding. Just because you haven't met any personally who would be offeneded by the stuff you say here, doesn't mean that there isn't any. (remember, lots of different types of people fall under the "trans" label) It doesn't surprise me actually, that hardly any actual transsexuals post here... they likely run a mile when they see the type of threads and posts that would make them feel like they would not recieve understanding, or fit in with the people here. I think their feelings should come before your "enjoyment" for posting things that will cause offense to at least some people labelled "trans". There are plenty of other sub-forums around here where you can post that stuff about transpeople where you wouldn't be challenged, and would likely have loads of people sharing your view. This is meant to be the one area of the forums that is sensitive and understanding towards trans issues. As you'd already know, if you read the rules about posting in this sub-forum before actually doing so.

And I wouldn't think I'm a "king" of anything, seeing as I'm not a man, and don't identify as one either. (as I think you know fine well) And stating a fact doesn't make me militant, or "missionary", it makes you ignorant for trying to make it sound like a personal viewpoint of mine.

 

I've only ever had you complain. And I've had you complain to me in most of the threads I'm posting in. Speak as free as you want; but unless you want to keep getting in the same argument; speak to someone else on this issue.
I don't want to put you on ignore; you've said a lot of valuable things; and one can learn a lot from anyone else, not to mention, this is the only real problem we have.

And you speak of strawmans? I never said you couldn't debate and be respectful; I'm saying that you aren't being respectful because of how you are debating (i.e. not leaving me alone on a point we've clashed on multiple times). The problem isn't when one supports the politically correct stance; the problem is when one tries to force everyone else to. Like grammar-nazis, who will attack people for their spelling or comma usage in a debate.

I'm not meaning to be insensitive; and if anyone thinks I am, they can speak up. But you've said your view already; we've argued about it multiple times already; I'd like to hear some replies from other people now.

I apologize; I was not thinking. Ruler of*

And it's not what you are stating; it's that you keep stating it despite knowing my feelings.

I freely admit that it's a confusing subject; that's one of the reasons I like talking about it. If I make mistakes, I am only human; and I do it with the best of intentions. I'm just asking if you could give me a break, because I don't know all the or all of your rules; have not had problems with anyone else; and would like to continue exploring these issues with fellow (hu)man, of all kind (even you, if we can find a way to do it without entering into repeat-debates).




On a related note; I might have found my first mtf transsexual porn picture that I like last night, maybe that's why I resurrected this thread when I saw it =P

 

This sub-forum is barren usually, and is very rarely posted in, and much less, by genuine transsexuals. So the fact that you've only ever "had me complain", doesn't strengthen your arguement really, nor does it justify your attack against me. Not to mention the fact that the only other time we had a drawn out, heated debate on this issue, it was actually in the wider gay forum, not in the transgender/transsexual subforums. Had that debate taken place in this sub forum, a moderator very likely would have been on your case long before our debate ended.

But I do speak to other people on this issue, quite regularly actually. The fact that you don't think I do only goes to show that you are attacking me for things which aren't true, and that you should get your facts straight before saying such things.

This is the only real problem we have, and thank you for saying I've said valuable things. I appreciate you saying that. What you have to realise though, is that your general attitude towards transsexuals, and also the language you use to describe them is generally not tolerated in these sub-forums. And that isn't me being militant, it actually states as much in the rules for posting in these sub-forums. Even if I wasn't posting here at all, if you were regularly posting about "trannys" and "chicks with dicks" here, (as I'm guessing you would have been doing if it wasn't for me) a moderator would tell you to stop doing it.

As I stated previously, look to the rules of the sub-forum, and you will see that it is you who aren't being respectful, at least not to the rules laid out by the moderators here.

Like I said, there's plenty of other forums on HP where you can post that language, and how much you're not attracted to transsexuals and "hermaphrodites" (actually intersex people), without posting that here. Which as I've said, is supposed to be a place of sensitivity and understanding towards transpeople. I know of at least two transsexuals who have lurked on these sub-forums, but not posted here because they've felt it would not be a place where they would be understood. And felt that they wouldn't fit in after reading the content of many threads and posts here, And I can't say I blame them quite frankly. What you need to realise, is that this is not a place where you can say what you want about transpeople.

Besides, like I said before, though I quoted you, my post was a general statement, not directed at you specifically. Yet you laid into me, even though it was a fact, not an opinion. I was not attacking you, but that's the way you took it.

Like I said, you keep posting those same things regularly enough, and sooner or later someone other than me (very likely a moderator) will pull you up for it. It is against the rules, after all.

That's okay. I can accept that you were not deliberately trying to upset me with that comment. Where that type of thing is concerned though, I'm very jaded...

You say that, although what I stated on the previous page of this thread was actually the only time I had ever made that specific point to you. So I haven't kept stating it all. I've actually very rarely stated that fact at all on these boards before, and it was certainly the first time I had done so in a conversation with you.

You say you don't know the rules (and no, they are not my rules, but actually the rules set by the moderator/s here), but had you read them before actually posting in this sub-forum, you'd have realised that certain language and attitudes, are generally not tolerated here. And for a good reason. As I've already stated, these forums must be first and foremost, a place that transpeople should feel comfortable in, and feel that their issues will be treated in a dignified and sensitive manner. I'm not saying you're meaning to be insensitive, in fact I feel certain that is not your intention at all.

I do not wish to argue with you anymore, as it's no fun arguing with someone that I actually generally, have no problems with. lol I'm glad that you wish to explore these issues further. And I would like to apologise if you did take offense to anything I've said, although it was not personal, and was not meant to be a personal attack. But if you took it to be one, then I still apologise.

 

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