Does anyone really care?

Discussion in 'Globalization' started by Columbo, Jul 23, 2006.

  1. Columbo

    Columbo Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,375
    Likes Received:
    1
    Does anyone in the west really care whether the West goes in and invades other countries? What does it matter to you unless you actually live in those countries that are being invaded or have family and friends there?
    I am not advocating that the west should go in there, just asking - given that the western armies are invading, and that most of us are not affected - what does it really matter? Because there is NOTHING absolutely ZERO we can do to stop it. May as well just put our feet up and watch it on telly without complaining otherwise its just hot air
    Pass the Pringles and another cold beer ! Wow - chocolate chip ice cream !
     
  2. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

    Messages:
    3,201
    Likes Received:
    0
    Selfishness is not Good
    Jonathan will steal your house today the police shouldn't care, isn't their house [​IMG] is this the way you think , rest in peace to your mind then, read about the previous ppl how they changed many things, yeah maybe it won't happen at the same time, but read more about it, it is a crime to just watch, you are senseless, when you see ppl comitting crimes and you do nothing, that encourages them to go on and keep doing so,

    Here is a link for an Article Other People's Blood
     
  3. Columbo

    Columbo Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,375
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ok so what do I do to stop the war - I have tried going on huge demonstrations - fat lot of good that did. I tried writing to a member of parliament but no-one bothered to write back. I gave a small amount of money to amnesty international. I even donated a lot of time to amnesty, but it hasnt stopped a war ! NOT ONE so have you got any ideas - and I am not gonna get myself killed to stop a war - you cant fight fire with fire

    About the iraqis and palestinian dead just being numbers - the American soldiers are just numbers too
     
  4. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

    Messages:
    3,201
    Likes Received:
    0
    Columbo :)
    Dear bro, maybe we cannot stop this war, but we can stop futuristic wars, when ppl see their leaders are looking for wars, they shouldn't vote for them again, Believe ME if ALL Soldiers (if you know some try to change their minds) will stop serving, you tell me would there be any war! we have to open ppl's eyes, they All can stop working in the sensitive jobs, but how if they sadly don't care about others, We first should really care, ppl should stop inventing and creating weapons to such countries (Myself All weapons should be banned)
    Against wars and the like :D , if so , may Allah bless you ^^ thank you very much, I take my hat off to you
    It is highly appreciated my dear , thank you very much, please when you don't see the results which you are working for, please do not give up, some times the posititve results come after a while, may Allah bless you and bless your fingers, I Am proud of you:D
    THANK YOU BROTHER THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVEN IF YOU GAVE 1£ IT IS HIGHLY APPRECIATED , it is better than giving nothing, you know you gave 1£, Mark gave 1£, Jonathan gave 1£ Total: 3£ Do you know London only London city has an estimated population of 7.5 million, imagine if All of ppl in London just gave 1£ or less or more! And imagine if that happened in other cities! Do you think there will be any poor? If everybody will care or at least maybe they need someone to remind them, or a good and effective idea =)it is our duty my dear to remind ppl and do something, human duty, if you think that Amnesty cannot do a positive thing, tell them I will stop supporting you as long as you can do nothing, And try to make a demonstration to boycott them if they will remain like this, start to look for other organasation, or maybe start your own, your own TV channel (or with the help and donations of other ppl), radio station, or something , please don't give up
    No, don't do so, WE DO NEED PPL LIKE YOU =) LIFE IS STILL GOING ON BECAYSE WE HAVE PPL LIKE YOU =) THIS IS REAL MY DEAR
    My dear brother, those soldiers chose that, nobody forced them, and without them Bush cannot wage any war, they are accordingly worse than Bush.



    (= *Peace and love* =)
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens

     
  5. Columbo

    Columbo Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,375
    Likes Received:
    1
    That wont happen - be pragmatic - not idealistic. There is a solution to war but that is not it. I know someone who got beat up for telling a couple of soldiers to desert and give up the military.
    Also you say those soldiers chose the army of the USA and Britain but so did the liberationist armies choose to fight - its not like they are innocent - how can there be a war if just one side throws away its guns? It takes two to tango. So what if they live in occupation - better red than dead (remember that old chestnut of a saying?)
     
  6. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

    Messages:
    3,201
    Likes Received:
    0
    Columbo

    Yeah, that because those soldiers don't care they want the salary, if joining this army will benefit them then why should they care about others The war wasn't legal, yet they joined it they are evils
    Link:

    There are solutions.

    There are other ways (to avoid beating) and may Allah bless that soldier for doing so, Amen

    Come on, grasp it, who chose the war? Of course the other side won't watch! The evil is the one who chose it and started (for hidden evil goals)

    Nah, today occupation, tomorrow something else (worse than occupation) A will steal what you own, don't complain, otherwise he will kill you or you will face many problems, face it and accept it, let him steal. This is completely irrational.
    *Peace and love*
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  7. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

    Messages:
    10,027
    Likes Received:
    2
    I care because innocent lives are being lost and tax funds and resources that could be better used for those that really need help are being diverted to the industrial military complex.

    I just heard on C-Span that funds that have been sent to Iraq are not properly documented or tracked, yet they add to our deficit. That means that people that should recieve support won't because of graft and collusion.

    The death of anyone that wasn't behind all this to me is unecessary.

    Those in power today rely on people feeling powerless and giving up. That's how they gain even more power.

    I CARE!
     
  8. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

    Messages:
    3,201
    Likes Received:
    0
    gardener
    [​IMG]
    Very true[​IMG]
    *Peace and love*
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  9. guy

    guy Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,137
    Likes Received:
    0
    empowerment number
    1: vote if you can. if the county/state you live in dumps your votes in the bins in the back alley, move state for the election
    2: tell other people to vote
    3: become informed and tell people, you'll find it amazing just how much it travels.
     
  10. km`

    km` Member

    Messages:
    20
    Likes Received:
    0
    http://www.dod.mil/comptroller/defbudget/fy2006/fy2006_greenbook.pdf
    Look at page 20

    It's funny how we have a 500 billion dollar defense budget and 15 billion for social security.

    We have also spent $500 billion so far on the war in Iraq.

    "Guy"- I don't know how much your vote counts.. with the use of Diebold voting machines in place.
     
  11. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

    Messages:
    3,201
    Likes Received:
    0
    500 billion mmm ==>Originally Posted by km` What's new? Haven't they been planning these wars ahead of time for oh.. hundreds of years?

    It seems that there are Many wars in their way or maybe a big one
    You know brother, at least it is better than doing nothing, miracles do happen, ppl should be aware and informed about the real things which will make them avoid voting for the bad ppl who are looking for wars and others' oil or whateva

    *Peace and love*
    Yours Sincerely,

    Cat Stevens


     
  12. km`

    km` Member

    Messages:
    20
    Likes Received:
    0
    I know, but people need to be involved more in the entire process. People get all concerned with policies when it comes time for elections, why not follow politics all the time?

    The "don't vote because of Diebold" was just a bit of humor, my good fellow.
     
  13. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

    Messages:
    3,201
    Likes Received:
    0
    km`
    Exactly, that's why I said ppl should be aware and informed about the real things about what's going on, what's going on (3 weeks) or two months before the elections isn't the same things about what's going on today and tomorrow
    It was a comment specifically on this

    *Peace and love*
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  14. km`

    km` Member

    Messages:
    20
    Likes Received:
    0
  15. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

    Messages:
    10,027
    Likes Received:
    2
  16. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

    Messages:
    10,027
    Likes Received:
    2
    That's a fine line to draw, because what may not affect you today, could very well affect you or your family tomorrow.
     
  17. Columbo

    Columbo Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,375
    Likes Received:
    1
    True ennuff I suppose - but if you believe the propaganda on the telly the west cant lose - just better pray theyre not lying I guess
     
  18. guy

    guy Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,137
    Likes Received:
    0
    if a tree falls in the forest and no one cares make sure you are not one of those trees - stay away from the lumber jack and the forest because he'll end up chopping it down.
     
  19. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

    Messages:
    3,201
    Likes Received:
    0
    insanejester
    S E L F I S H N E S S IN my pov
    Isn't courage either in my POV
    One world-One huge family
    I care about my huge family
    They are All Allah's creatures
    *Peace and love*
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  20. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

    Messages:
    3,201
    Likes Received:
    0
    gardener
    Thank you for the link
    Masha'Allah very wise and rational,
    One world-One huge family
    I care about my huge family
    *Peace and love*

    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice