Do you value historic preservation?

Discussion in 'History' started by 6-eyed shaman, Apr 30, 2018.

  1. I sure do. I like reading up on the local history of every town I have inhabited. I like finding out a city or village's origins and backstory. Some restaurants or museums will show photographs of images captured in time of that town.

    I live in the west, and it's actually very fascinating to see what my home town looked like as a wild western style movie.

    Sometimes you can recognize it, sometimes you can't. It's amazing to see what these towns looked like before they were built; seeing the roads made of mud and dirt, and people had to keep dry by walking on boardwalks. Even the natural landscape is different. I frequently visited a town that was named Klamath Falls. but the falls the town was named after was all dammed up. But the falls can be found in historic photos. Even the buildings 100 or more years ago looked prettier. Some are still standing to this day, but a lot of them, including a spectacular clock tower, were demolished to give way to uglier soulless buildings that were popular in the 1960s.

    There is a pioneer graveyard a few blocks from my home. It is really cool and I walk there every day for exercise. I love the look of these old hand carved graves; they are so much spookier than the modern laser etched ones. Sadly, a few decades ago, some fuckheads smashed more than half of them with sledge hammers. There were some grave stones of real Oregon trail pioneers too. One grave said "Killed by Indians" and another said "Killed by a Grizzly bear"

    I know of some rocks on an island out in a lake where there are some petroglyphs that nobody seems to know about. I'm not even sure if the survivors of tribe knows about them. I hope these rock paintings remain undisturbed, and last another 100+ years before nature completely rinses them away. Because there are people out there, who chip and chisel away at native american rock paintings. I don't know why the fuck they do that. Because even if they managed to break every piece off, take them home, and reassemble the petroglyph, it's going to look unauthentic and shitty. Even if you break one piece off as a souvenir, it will look insignificant without the rest of the painting.

    I wish more effort was taken to protect and preserve history. And I'm sad to say that it is going to take a lot more than changing laws and being tougher on vandalism to stop it.
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  2. redshoes

    redshoes Member

    As long as it is placed within the proper context, yes. Culturally is kind of key.
  3. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    Greatly. Not much I like more than getting into how people lived and in what environment they lived in back in other eras. And what they tried to leave behind!
  4. Noserider

    Noserider You Can Still Call Me Neo


    I'm not big on world history and certainly can't explain how George Washington defeated the Nazis to end the Korean War, but I really like local history for a lot of the same reasons you mentioned.
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  5. Aerianne

    Aerianne Current Occupant Staff Member Super Moderator

    Yes and I'm a genealogy buff so they go hand and hand.
  6. Mallyboppa

    Mallyboppa Nails Mc Fugger

    Yes and I cant understand This statue removing thing that's been going on lately
    The pyramids were said to be built by slaves so we should knock them down as well ??
  7. wilsjane

    wilsjane Member

    We recently removed a wall and discovered a row of 6 bakers ovens (similar to the picture) that were used to bake bread locally from 1884 to 1930.

  8. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

    i value not loosing the opportunity to see how people furst figured out how to do things that are still useful and sometimes needed.
    i think it can be overdone, but more often the opposite is the case.
    also why throw away anything if there's still some use left in it. any use at all.

    there's more value then just this is how people did things.

    which doesn't mean we shouldn't do things in better ways if we have them.
    sometimes you don't though, and knowledge is useful.
  9. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

    well i can't understand putting up statues of humans in the furst place at all. the pyramids aren't shaped like any particular persons face in real life that i know of.
    statues of humans are just ugly and mess up the natural scenery.
  10. Meliai

    Meliai Senior Member

    Yes and thankfully live in a region where historical preservation is a priority for the most part. Although occassionally I do find out that where a modern monstrosity now stands, a historical building once was. Breaks my little ol' heart to think about what could have been if only it was preserved
  11. olderndirt

    olderndirt Member

    Yes. Family history is my hobby, and I regret that so many of the old buildings were destroyed before I was able to see and photograph them.
  12. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member Super Moderator

    There are still a few old grist mills around my area but sadly they're falling down. In fact someone is tearing one down right now.
    Here's one near by that's been restored.

    When they rebuilt it back in the early eighties, I think, the sluice gate got stuck open and they wheel started to rotate too fast. They were afraid it was going to break the axle and take off down the hill so they were jamming 2 x 10 boards into the spokes and they just snapped the boards off. Luckily they got the gate closed.
  13. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

    Yeah, part of my job is salvaging old wood from buildings and barns. I've taken down 4 old dairy barns from the early 20th century. It's sad the old barns are being taken down, but at least the wood doesn't go into the landfill. I also live along of the original Oregon trail that the early settlers took. There are monuments where Indian battles took place.
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  14. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

    (One of my ancestors died on the Oregon trail--Boone Hays.) Lots of old business buildings and old homes in my small hometown of Lemoore,Cal. My gramma was born a few miles south of there in 1884. I don't like to see old barns degrade and lean and eventually fall down. I've seen them in Oregon and California.
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  15. OrleansWordsmith

    OrleansWordsmith Moderate anarchist

    I understand why people want the Confederate statues removed. They say it's honoring people who were invovled in slave holding and disenfranchising of African-American people. In part this is true. The people who put these statues up were trying to hold onto the idea of the Old South, which was built on the backs of slaves. But, in fact, the entire nation was financially enriched by slavery. There are statues in this country, memorials to men (mostly) who've done egregious acts, such as sterilizing and butchering men and women of color as practice to do similar operations on white patients or because the black men or women were considered feeble minded or promiscuous. However, if we pulled down all the statues of all the Confederates and slave holders, Jefferson and Washington would need to be pulled down too. Mount Rushmore would be half erased. I see leaving these statues in place as touchstones for a continuing, deep discussion of who helped build our nation, African slaves, who was hounded, killed and disenfranchised after the Civil War by the KKK and lynchings and lack of voting rights and education, and who disproportionately still suffer in this country. Removing those statues doesn't tear down racism. Talking about the roots of racism and opening hearts and minds does. And additionally, changing attitudes and developing compassion and tolerance for those who suffer and those who do not understand the source of such suffering, is key.
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  16. Mallyboppa

    Mallyboppa Nails Mc Fugger

    Love these Barncaster guitars built with 100 year old wood !
    Barncaster - Simple aging and finish project

  17. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

  18. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member Super Moderator

    Speaking of barns here's a picture of the Star Barn in my local.
    It was built in 1877 as a show case for prize horses. It's one of the most photographed and painted barns in the U.S. Just recently it and all the out buildings were dismantled, restored, and moved to a new site to get away from an interstate. It'll open on the 4th of July as a "village" for event bookings.
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  19. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

    Wow, it's beautiful. They don't make building like that anymore.
  20. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member Super Moderator

    I used to live near Forbes' Road built by Colonel Henry Bouquet to lift the siege of Fort Pitt during the French and Indian War.
    A certain group of hippies and freaks used to go to the main battlefield of the war and party....until the state police raided the place.
    We, I mean those dirty hippies, used to congregate right by that oval of flour bags in the center.​
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