Do you like marijuana?

Because my upbringing and environnement was harsh i made the efforts i did to survive it and go over it and CHOOSE a better way out, and pursued it further and arrived where i am now.
That you like to smoke join doesnt mean that you ahve to get mad at me cause i found another way to deal with the problems you are dealing with.
And stop talking like if hte USA was the worsest place in the world to be raised into.. thats quiet a paradox to come with.
You use marijuana as an escape gate. Fine. I am talking about another gate, a more permanent one.
I am not saying that smoking is dull and that you shouldnt do so or that you are an idiot for doing so. I am telling i found something else.
Better, and much different.
Better because it really connect without involving taking any drugs, and because it makes you stronger and feeling better inside not just for a short period of time but for the long run.
I dont understand why you are attacking those things, nor why you believe that it has anything to do with where one is born. I do not come from copenhague at all.
What i am talking about is available to all, except those who deny it beforehand.

And i do not see anywhere where i suggested or said that i was superior to you. It is something you have concluded on your own and who made you mad. Ditto you must be mad at yourself and not at me.

 

Hey, let's just agree to disagree. You like your way, and I like mine.

That's fine with me, but you're the one saying yours is better. You are completely trying to escape blame for an argument but you definitely projected a tone of superiority in your post and still do now.

I mean in implying that your methods are better, are you not suggesting superiority? all you'd have to say is "better for me" and I'd be 100% behind such a statement but you've changed it to a universal statement.

And where did I say the USA is the worst place to grow up in? Surely not the worst, but I can tell you that people are fed such bullshit from an early age that there are places much more economically depressed that produce men and women with a more realistic outlook of the world. We were not discussing how difficult growing up in the US was, just how a US upbringing distorts ones perception of reality.

If you were born in my town, you would likely have had a much easier life but I doubt you would have nearly the wisdom and understanding of the truth as you do now.

And I was an outsider who was against conformity and my government from a young age.

Yet I was afraid of drugs and alcohol (because of substance abuse struggles in my family) until only a few years ago. I understand now that such fear was planted in me by my education, through what was really brainwashing. And I learned that even I, who never once attended a school football game or bought clothing because it had a popular label, and who was labeled a freak for spending my recesses catching and watching bugs rather than play kickball, was a victim of the american ruse (MC5 reference!) like everyone else.

In a system like that it's really difficult to get out unless you surround yourself with people who know better and honestly, in hindsight I knew better than just about any of my peers. I had a small group of friends, people who shared my dark sense of humor and creativity who liked to act, draw, explore nature etc. so at least I wasn't assimilated into a materialistic, corporate mindset, but without marijuana I could only go so far.

I mean just with my guitar playing I'm realizing what I can do in an altered state. Things just come together when my imagination can tackle them without the confusion and distractions of being myself in my own unique situation here.

And the other day, I went rock climbing, and you should know that I'm very afraid of heights. They are my biggest, most physically paralyzing fear. But now since smoking and exploring myself, I'm realizing how competent a person I can be. I am not only a thinker but I can go out there and accomplish! I climbed a mountain! Whereas before I'd just say "not for me" or some other bullshit excuse to mask my fear, I did it and I'm glad I did it.

I'm not some addict trying to justify smoking, I'm just saying that weed has had a profound effect on my development as a person and there is so much on the horizon that wasn't there pre-weed. I owe a lot to that drug honestly, because without it I would still be an drifting, restless jerk with a pretty high IQ and a severe case of self loathing.

So when you enter and talk about your better way of course I'm going to get upset. There was no better way for me, because I wasn't forced into a situation where I had to develop, as you were. I mean I'm sure that somewhere down the line I would have eventually gotten so fed up with being depressed and longing for more and hating myself for not doing anything about it that I would need to change, but I'm glad to have come to the conclusions I've made about myself now, while I'm young, with a full life ahead of me.

I'm in the drivers seat again, taking control of my life and kicking all the negativity out that's been planted there by people in my past. I'm beginning to understand what I'm truly capable of and it's exciting for me. A little scary too, but for the most part I'm excited. And best of all, after sifting through my thoughts of myself and separating the foreign from the natural, I realize that I am a strong person and that I love myself. It's a feeling that I missed for a long time, and I wish more people felt that way about themselves.


Oh and I like you as a person from what I've seen on the forum. I don't really have any personal conflict with you. You intrigue me and honestly, I think you're pretty cute too. I'm not saying that to win favor with you or anything, but sometimes the truth ought to be let out.

I'm sure all of that factors into creating this situation where I keep arguing with you.

So don't mind me or think I'm actually upset with you or sending you negative energy or anything.

I just play a little rough and get emotionally involved in conversations sometimes. Sorry if I caused you any stress at all.

 

I love marijuana.

 

just remember that if you keep smoking to get to that place, STWarmth, you will regress. youve only been smoking a year or so now. you cant keep assigning your newfound self to marijuana or you will forget what it truelly taught you. thank weed for releasing thoughts from your brain. but thank your sober brain for building those thoughts into your subconscious. thank yourself when you use your sober brain to integrate these new thoughts that weed has opened up, into what YOU will become.

stonedness is only ever good when it is preceded and followed by sobriety.

im not saying this is not teh case for you, sharethewarmth, im just saying that its easy to get deluded as to where the grace should be given, when a life is opened up by marijuana.

at any rate, Lorna makes a lot of contradictions. most importantly, she asserts the truisms that you need a book to get what a book gives, or the ocean to get what the ocean gives. but for some reason, she thinks she doesnt need weed to get what weed gives. give me a break.

 

i used to have a passion for marijuana. but somwhere, and somhow, it dissapeared.
its become to crazy, makes me feel too shit, and fucks up my life too much. if i smoke much, i just try to escape doing anything, and anything i have to do, is like built up into the biggest thing. the brain would get lost in itself and feel detached from the realilty. another big factor, is if i have a habit il get all weird and wont say more than 2 words to my family ever. never look at them, allways look down and shit.
iv discoverd a life with only occasional smoking and drug use, and as a result i have built a relationship with my family, cleared my head, and dont feel lost.

now you do the same

 

your situation is clearly different to the one we are describing, peter. ie, until he dislikes marijuana theres no reason to put the pipe out of his life.

its good to hear youre fixing your mind up though

 

Hey Bill, we are on the same page. I don't smoke more than twice in a week, and sometimes I'll go several weeks between smoking. I think I savor the experience more and it makes being high all the more productive because of this. I am very good at moderation when it comes to drugs, probably because I waited until my 20's when I was more mature than most people I know were when they started.

I do sometimes wish I'd started right before college though, because smoking has only lead me to rediscover my childhood passion for learning. If I felt the way I did now about learning as I did then, I would have studied the right way, for long term knowledge retention, and instead of cramming the night before an exam like I did. I learned a lot in college but I could have gotten much more out of the experience if the passion for learning is there, and marijuana has brought reason and balance into my life, and with those things a new set of priorities.

Still, I am proud that I can handle something like marijuana responsibly and that is probably a result of my age. So it's difficult to say if I'd have been better off starting earlier or not.

Nothing to dwell on though, I like to concentrate on the present.

 

yeh, well its true that its good to start later because you dont develop certain compulsions that some of us do, or at least you dont develop them as easily.

i only decided to go to uni (let alone what to study) after smoking marijuana. so i can say that its given me a great passion for learning thats for sure. but where it stops short is give me motivation to study for an exam. i dont know if you would have fared any different. but in any course, you have to learn a lot of bullshit in order to be considered as one who understands things. no matter how much i want to learn about things, i can never want to learn things that i dont care about. for example, i am studying psychology. i know the principles behind learning models for classical conditioning, but just because i cant label them and discuss them in terms of the scientists who published said models, means that i fuck up 20% of my grade. and i dont care about these theories quite frankly because they have a hell of a long way before saying anything about humans (since theyre done on hungry rats trying to get food). this sort of thing really requires self-instruction to learn and care about. not something that is aided by marijuana, which i find only helps me consider things that end up having any meaning to me. anyway enough ranting, ive got anothe exam tomorrow!
and i just want to smoke and try to consider how marijuana can influence metabolic rates through the hypothalmic-pituitary-axis!
but thats for another day

 

this thread is funny...

 

if i didnt like the effects of weed i wouldnt smoke it, but i love the effects so i'm high a lot. without it i become a really easily irrated person