Do you feel LSD is cheating?

haha! you just quoted my most favorite nursery rhyme of all time!!

There's a history of the supposed meaning...to me it's very deep and profound for so few words.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Row,_Row,_Row_Your_Boat

It's the metaphor of my life. :cheers2:

 

dude, it isn't jumping around.
why are you so intent on distinguishing a psychedelic experience from any other experience?
they are all equally built into whatever cycle you think you are on, it isn't interrupting anything, do you earnestly believe that you have the power to actually interrupt something lol

 

Yeah, "Captain, there's a rift in the fabric of the subspace continuum"

 

A hit of LSD on a a piece of paper that some sketchball sells you is as much a part of the buddhafield as your left pinky and the bhagavad gita.

 

this is not necessarily true, it depends on how you interpret the karmic cycle. I believe that the Buddhists considered the karmic cycle to be a chain of causality, and that there isn't such thing as good or bad karma. simply put any action that affects the universe in any way creates karma and perpetuates your personal cycle of reincarnation, but if you are using psychedelics as a way to break down your ego and better understand yourself, you really aren't affecting the karmic cycle at all. if anything you are breaking free of it

 

i believe psychedelics are a potent medicine for the times we are living in. i think it was you who said we have all the time we need, but honestly, that time is very difficult to fully dedicate to ourselves and live in the world we live in. as our lives are centered in all kinds of distractions screaming for our attention. (you know, money, job, car insurance, laundry, whatever it is, and then more important things like family and loved ones)
i personally think psychedelics offer alot of people the middle way. when this medicine is spent working on oneself and ones spirit path, it is intence and fast moving. the rest of the week one can offer more time spent centering in other areas of ones life that are very nessesary to cultivate, living in the society that we do live in. our times are fast paced, i know for me its hard to keep up. i find that my psychedelic jouneys, more than anything, give me strength to take on the things i need to, in a healthy way, and stay centered within myself and true to my path.

in my own case, i often feel like i should just drop out and spent the rest of my life working on myself. that would be great, but at this time i have karmas that are keeping me in the thick of it. i have loved ones i need to be present for, and so i deal with alot shit i dont nessesarily want to, so that i can be here. somtimes i need a real strong medicine to keep me healthy, toxicity is too easily aquired in our enviornments.
id love to be a wandering buddha, but i realize someone needs to tend the gardens to feed the kids. know what i mean? i gotta make my life my work...n' find god in the turnip patches. lol lsd is great for that no? lol

 

your sig picture just blew my mind:cheers2:

 

jus' rowin' through the cosmic oooze

 

yes this is exactly what i was questioning. should we really use psychedelics to break out of the karmic cycle or further ourselves through it? or should we just be patient and wait for things to resolve themselves without a catalyst?

what i meant by we have as much time as we need, is that we have as many incarnations as we need.

 

Some of us need a catalyst. Some don't. I prefer to explore all options!

 

When I was out of my body and out of my mind on psilocybin, I had many experiences and learned a great deal. I was told that some of the info was such that I could never tell anyone about it...so I asked the being to let me have the experience, and let it change me, but don't let me remember the information consciously. I'm a blabbermouth.

So, I had the experience and learned a bunch of stuff. But it was all a bit clouded by the fact that my mind was all screwed up by the drug. The thing that let me get there was also keeping me from experiencing the full clarity of it.

But the dangerous part is that I was not at all prepared to live by most of what I had learned. I hadn't put the time in and developed myself. I didn't have the self-control. I didn't even really want it. It did change me-- I did really, really understand why I couldn't afford to be mean and selfish with people and how hurting them was hurting myself. I knew that before, but I didn't care until after my experience. But there was so much more that I just wasn't ready to even understand, much less implement in my daily life.

All I knew, when I came back to the world and my mind, was that I loved that place and wanted to go back-- next time without the drugs, if possible. I researched it and found Buddhism. I kept going with that until I had a vision of Sri Ganesa and the God proved himself to me. So, now I'm Hindu. Progress has been slow, but especially since I started my relationship with Sri Ganesa, it has been steady. I understand now that I'm always in that place, though I can't usually let myself be aware of it yet. I also understand that the results of my practice and learning really aren't my business. It's the work that matters...and it's the relationship and the love.

I wouldn't discourage anyone from using hallucinogens if they've got a pretty flexible mind, no history of schizophrenia, know how to keep things basically within reasonable limits, and have a good set and setting. However, be aware that you might receive insights for which you will be responsible. Failing to live up to what you learn will have consequences. I bore and still bear those consequences. But I consider it all worth while, since it gave me the desire to search in the first place.

If you have the desire to search already, maybe you don't need the drugs.

 

I'm starting to think that enlightenment is just the full, conscious understanding of karma. If someone really, really understood karma, they'd know absolutely everything.

And that would be a great starting-point for the rest of a person's life, but nothing more than that.

Either way, that person's decisions and that person's karma would continue to interact and take that person wherever that person was headed...just like we all do.

Maybe we're all already there, but we prefer to keep ourselves in suspense.

 

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i don't like the word enlightenment though. enlightenment implies an end point, a goal. which means that there is an end to the road. there is no end. only more beginnings. a goal is completely contradictory to everything that the word enlightenment stands for. "

enlightenment is nothing more than the end of suffering , lol. Monks use a negative definition for that specific reasoning in your post -- So you don't make it something to believe in. It's nothing really all that radical, though you can always make it impossible for you to attain by believing it is

 

Enlightenment is everything.

You cannot escape.

 

Blllptphtphphtttahhh,,

I just farted.

 

Are you kidding me? NO mind altering drugs were around when Buddha was alive? What about alcohol? Mushrooms? Marijuana? Just to name a few...

 

you're right. Buddha says...

One should refrain from intoxicating drinks and drugs.
Buddha

 

Cool. Thanks

"The final line, "life is but a dream", is perhaps the most meaningful. With a religious point of view, life and the physical plane may be regarded as having equivalent value as that of a dream, such that troubles are seen in the context of a lesser reality once one has awakened.[6] Conversely, the line can just as equally convey nihilist sentiments on the meaninglessness of man's actions."
-Wikipedia

The bold parts are the only parts I didn't agree with. The religious point of view as said above is not just a religious point of view. Also I very, very much doubt that it is some or any way expresses a nihilist point of view. They're much to bland to enjoy this song anyways. Besides do you think they sing this over in Germany?

 

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i'm not saying they don't. just saying that they lead a path completely different from non-psychedelic life. they jump around and change our karma rapidly, rather than a slow, flowing process.