Debating doing ecstacy... What are the side effects?

I want to try ecstacy. It sounds liek a shit load of fun but I've heard about the shit it does to your back. I've done mush and weed and salvia and all that shit but not E. I've heard it drains some of your spinal fluid and I'm wondering if any of you users have had any long or short term problems?

 

thats a lie

 

Thanks for the input (sarcasm)

 

it fucks with your memory it causes depressive eposodes.. the memory thing can get to extremnes
its worth a try if i get really good stuff and can limmit it to a handfull of times spread out over a lifetime
lotta kids eat way more then they should and end up paying

its rare u see the extremes of what it can do cause when u reach that extreme..ya dont get out for a year


if u can keep it really limmited tho it wont fuck up your memoruy too bad

but if u do let it outta control you can literaly get lost in your own house u lived in all your life cause u just cant remember how to get from 1 room to the next

alotta kids take it too far and start gettin memory holes

if u must use it use it whewn u really feel is right and limmitted dont abuse it cause sooner or later ot'll abuse u..


it most certainly can fuck with your mind not in a draining fluids way but just bydulling ot to ....well..ive seen ppl forget how to dress themselves and function day to day..

keep it very rare and you'll be ok tho..alotta ppl will tell ya to just go ahead and take more then u should though..

 

Alright first... I'd like to see what people couldnt know how to dress themselves n get lost in their own houses.... cause back in 1999-2001 I ate esctasy in a crazy way... I couldnt even guess the amount of pills I took. 3-4 times a week for a couple months (and yes, i learned you dont really roll if you do that..it was dumb....) ...there were times where I took up to ten pills at a time..... prolly weak pills...BUT with even decent pills, I HAD to take 4 or 5 to ROLL.... i had a huge tolerance and i ate WAYYYY too many pills... i hung out with TONS of ravers that ate way too many pills and it's NOT something im suggesting. It's stupid. BUT i never once had problems with dressing and this n that...
I DID devolp some depression problems from my serotonin being so depleted, would get aggitated and anxious..... I felt like it took a lot out of me.... but that was the worst!!!!

I stopped rolling and all those negative effects went away. I can say that even though i rolled twice in 2008 (before that it had been five or six years... i DID feel the need to recover) I no longer have ANY negative effects from E.

And I don't recall it messing with my memory at all. Alcohol did that but that's more of a poison and another story....

Anyways drugs should be USED not ABUSED. MDMA can be wonderful if you don't take it the way me and some friends did back when we first discovered the scene...but soaring eagle, i do think you are exagerrating...either that or you knew people who were so retarded that they would eat like 20 pills a day every day for a year.....

Oh and that special that was on a while back.... about the girl who ate esctasy and had all those holes in her brain....well she also did a lot of meth...and the meth caused the holes...
i guarantee i have eaten over 400 pills AND i have had an MRI
there were NO... ZERO!!!! holes in my brain!
one possible lesion but im pretty sure i know what that was from and it sure as hell wasnt drinking.

dont believe all the propoganda.

and of course... dont be stupid. rolling should be something done rarely.... you get the most enjoyment from it, it's special, you don't build up a tolerance...etc....

 

BTW...
i highly suggest trying mdma.

do it where you can dance and be around loving people... the stimulation at those parties are IDEAL.

just consider it something to do a few times a year (if that) as a treat...
and it is a treat...
there is nothing like it.

the side effects from when you first start? i had none. the first few times i rolled i felt GREAT the next day.

NOW because of so much use.... i get very down and need to recover for days after rolling.... suboxones or benzos help a lot with that....
but if you never abuse it the after effects shouldnt be bad at all....
just might feel a LITTLE down for a day or so after...its not a huge deal at all

 

I have only rolled once, and I felt great the next day, with no sleep. Of course, it helped that I had weed for the comedown:spliff:

 

lucky yea the unabble to dress themselves was from taking it to extremes...
ppl have talked about it screwin up theyre memories from a few hundred tho and it does seem to give a full revcovery after sa year

ive only seen the complete inability to function a couple times though..
ive seen bad reactions tjho when mixed with other things

i do recomend tryin it ,,just remembret cause alotta kids do alkot dolnt mean its a good idea to do alot..

 

its definately an experience worth trying a good roll is unlike anything else, but like already said doing it too much is only going to take away from the experience. id say ten good rolls spaced out throughout ur life shouldnt have any noticable effects on ur cognitive abilities. watever u do dont become an e tard that pops ten pills a day just to be stupid. u dont roll when u do that anyways

 

Okay then we're not that much in disagreement.

I just thought you were kinda making it seem like those extreme examples are common. You gotta roll A LOT for that to happen...in fact, ive never seen it that bad. Sure, there are neg. effects if abused... i abused it and it fucked with my serotinin after a while but all the negative effects are now gone and I can now roll A FEW TIMES A YEAR TOPS and not even feel the cracked out hang over (benzos, pain killers, opiates or weed do help a lot though! lol)

Anyways yeah...trying it is good. Doing it all the time is NO GOOD. A lot of kids do think it's a harmless drug...and it's NOT physically addictive and not a HORRIBLE drug but like any DRUG.... moderation and personal responsibily is key. If you respect MDMA, MDMA will respect you.

 

I was scared to try it because of what the media says about it but when i did it my only problem was the cravings a few days afterward because it was just so fucking beautiful.

 

I don't think it causes memory loss to the point where you can't find your way around your house.

but.... IT WILL CAUSE MEMORY LOSS!! when i went on a several month binge at the beginning of last school year my grades dropped from a 3-4.0 avg to like a 2.5-3 avg..

people will not want to hang around you as well if you are an e-tard because you won't have any feeling from you receptors being burned to shit.

 

Well obviously thats gonna happen if you go on a several month fucking binge. Space out ur e use by a week each time.

 

just to reiterate:
E is one of the most easygoing and purely euphoric drugs I can think of. there's no other drug that makes me so comfortable around and interested in other people. THere is some ego-loss involved; and what remains is an overwhelming and beautiful awareness of the group-entity. It's one of the reasons it got so big in the 80's, a Me culture. For the ravers, it was only "us," there was no "me", and was a great relief from the empty egoistic rituals of modern society. In many ways it was a reincarnation of the love-ins and be-ins of the 60's.

The next-day comedown will be minimized if you stay hydrated during your roll. drink water even if you don't feel thirsty, and try to squeeze in a little food near the end, but I would take the pills on an empty stomach. And there's nothing like weed for any sorta comedown if you are a fan of it.

Whether lots of rolling produces long-term damage I can't say, but it's obviously cheapening the experience to do it too often, and it definitely can make you depressed after a binge.

Just have fun, being around people and music never fails; or you could roll with a few select friends and probably become closer.

 

MDMA causes a rush of serotonin, the brain's "happy" "relaxing" chemical, which can cause a temporary depletion following the comedown. With repeated usage, it can actually damage serotonin receptors, making the depression more permanent, especially in those prone to mood disorders. Plus, it's very rare to find pure mdma...pills are often cut with caffeine, meth, and anything else you can think of. Brains of light ecstasy users showed changes similar to those seen in Parkinson's disease and users scored worse on memory tests than nonusers.

Now to debunk some myths: X does not burn holes in your brain, melt your brain, cause changes in spinal fluid, turn you gay, or anything else sensational. Like all drugs, it should be respected and saved for special occasions and only used by those secure in their mental state with no heart/cardiovascular problems or current illnesses like the flu.

I too debated trying X, but decided against it...I don't think it's worth a 4-6 hour high for something that could damage a genetically-prone-to-depression brain like mine. I've had unheard-of reactions to other substances (kratom for instance), so for me it's a no-go. You might feel differently. Please research it further before making a decision. It's unwise to try a drug when you aren't 100% sure of the possibilities, but congrats for taking the first step and asking about it here. Follow up by reading info from an unbiased source (not govt. funded or run by a total doper). Erowid experiences are good, as they give so many different perspectives.

www.erowid.com

 

I'll go on in a second about how to do MDMA (or how I think you should) but first..

1) MDMA does not cause brain damage. That is bunk that has been propagated by the DEA and has been debunked by the broader scientific community. Even the recent study was debunked.. and in record time. In fact there is one fellow who has cured his parkinson's disease with regular MDMA rolls.

2) MDMA does not "fuck with your memory" There was ONE study that showed MDMA users MIGHT have some SHORT term memory problems, but the same study also showed that MDMA users were consistently more intelligent and well adjusted (i.e. mentally healthy) than non drug users.

3) MDMA does NOT cause reduction in cerebro spinal fluid.. my god how did that get started??? If it did, the 100's of millions of people who have taken it would all be suffering irreparable spinal injury.. which they aren't because its a lie.

4) MDMA by itself doesn't cause dehydration, but sweating and dancing can lead you to dehydration so you should drink no more than one pint of water per hour, more if you are dancing heavily in a hot place

5) Depressive people shouldn't have any trouble taking MDMA, really, as long as they post load with 5-HTP and have plenty of l-Tryptophan foods (bananas and chocolate) In fact, MDMA is used extensively in Switzerland with depressives as a treatment, and is currently being tested in the US for clinical use on PTSD and such.

enjoy!!

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MDMA is what people originally called "Empathy", or "Adam". Its believed one enterprising guy started calling it "Ecstasy" since that was better in terms of marketing

There is also MDA , MDE (Eve), 2C-B, and so on. They ARE NOT MDMA, nor should they be confused with it. People are using the word Ecstasy for all sorts of different drugs and combos.. be sure you get pure MDMA. If you really want to take a look at all the compounds related to these, look online for this word "PiHKAL".

MDMA is empathogenic and entactogenic. These mean it opens you up and makes you more empathetic to other people, and it also makes bodily sensations more pleasant. It has a sensuous vibe, and often people can't help themselves kissing each other, and rubbing each others back, shoulders, or whatever else happens to be sticking out.

Duration is 4-5 hours. You can extend this by taking one booster at the 1.5 hour mark. If you take ANY more, your comedown will be incredibly shitty. This is why some people put on a speedy tail by taking a half a dose of MDA with their full dose of MDMA. It makes the whole trip last longer (MDA lasts twice as long, but doesn't have the empathogenic/entactogenic effects)

Don't drink alcohol with MDMA or you risk kidney damage. There are two safe ways to do it, as a buffer and as a remedy: (1) Have a wine toast (ONE small glass) when you drop the MDMA. It will buffer the come up and the acids will help the MDMA absorb into your boy... or (2) If you find your heart racing too fast while rolling, have exactly ONE drink containing exactly ONE shot of vodka and the rest Orange Juice. In all other cases.. don't drink any alcohol while rolling. And regardless of other posters here, dont smoke tobacco while rolling.. it interferes with the roll and can cause complications, specifically with heart rate increase.

Don't take any supplements before hand, as in mega doses of 5-HTP and Vitamin C or Magnesium. That has never been shown to help in any way and can actually damage the roll. If you normally take supplements, thats fine.. just dont "preload" with them. There is some anecdotal evidence that Magnesium does help while preloading, but no studies have been done so it could be placebo.

While rolling, drink electrolyte fortified water, no more than one pint an hour, unless you are dancing like a fiend, but never too much. Its easy to get carried away by the sensation of cold water Just keep your own bottle that holds one pint. Dont have more than 4 during your roll. I use Emergen-C. Half strength.

During the comedown, then take 5-HTP, but not too much. 2 caps a day is fine. Eat bananas and chocolate. Take the 5-HTP for the next 2 weeks. You can also buffer your comedown with a joint, which provides a lot of relief, but still take the 5-HTP and eat the food! Dont take SSRIs (like Prozac) during the comedown.. they carry much higher risks than the MDMA itdelf. Have a joint instead, or a hash brownie.

Don't do MDMA more often than once a month. Always take 5-HTP for at least 2 weeks following a roll. Also make sure you get plenty of sleep during those 2 weeks (no hard partying until after the 2nd week), and make sure you eat well.

Thats the beginner's guide in a nutshell! "Professionals" know all of this, and more so they are more able to adjust their behavior because they know their body intimately, but I can assure you without fail, that if you follow the above advice, your rolls will always be good and your comedown won't be as bad, or bad at all. Mine are never a problem.. I never get the tuesday blues or any week long effects anymore.

 

1.you say it you think it sounds like fun. if your interested in it, just research it some dude. find out for yourself..im not being mean or anything.

2.youve heard it drains spinal fluid. its funny cus i thought that was another crazy rumor about lsd actually. anywayy, ive also heard weed makes you go insane. ive also "heard" jesus is going to return earth from.........heaven or the atmosphere or was it... the north pole?

mdma just releases chemicals in your brain that are already there that make you feel good. same chemicals released like when you have sex or eat candy. the large release of chemicals just drains your brain. they will eventually build up again. i usually space my rolls out like every 1 month, or even every few. mdma is fucking the best..just dont abuse it

 

Ciggeretes used to be great

 

I only did it once but I liked it, comedown was boring as fuck but I eventually passed out. It's too short to be worth making a habit of though.

 

I'd say do it. BUT, do it, and forget about it for a long time. I LOVED LOVED LOVED it the first (and only) time, but haven't did it since. I'm not sure about the back thing, sounds like nonsense to me. You do however, feel kinda down the next day or two (or atleast I did). Mad fun though.