Danny Sugerman on Jim Morrison and how the hippies pussied out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZypJbzfVkNo"]Danny Sugarman On Jim Morrison Sound Bites From the CounterCulture - YouTube

Some stark,bleak truth for anyone with rose colored glasses concerning the counterculture of the 60's.
Also included is exactly why Jim Morrison did what he did and said what he said onstage on that fateful night in Miami,Florida. Danny was the manager of the Doors and was a close friend to Morrison.

 

I appreciate your input but I am struggling to see your post as even a tangent related to the point. What exactly and specifically does this have to do with what is presented in the video?

 

The truth is hard to face for some but this video hits it right on the head. The hippies failed. It's exactly how he describes it. They were beautiful, it was marvelous, but in the end they fucking failed miserably. It's important to face this and show the newer generations so that if anything like this ever happens again we will be stronger and not cower when blood is spilt.

 

What a crock. As much as I love the Doors music I recognize that Jim Morrison was a self-destructive drunken lout clown, and to blame anyone but himself for his downward spiral is a cop-out.

The vast majority of those in the anti-war movement were just that: trying to end the war. They weren't trying to start a revolution to overthrow the government. The Democratic Convention riots didn't end the movement, nor did Kent State, it continued until the last troops came home. AND it put an end to the draft.

 

Reality check. Morrison wasn't truely a hippie. He was a junkie with allusions of grandeur. He was just educated enough on existentialism that he could mine it for shallow symbolism. I love the backing music on the Doors but think it's lyrically pretentious.

Stay Brown,
Rev J

 

So where did he allude to granduer Rev ? You should know that you're never gonna do shit unless you believe. So more power to him if he wanted to save us. Newo, Rev: Well I guess he never said any of that and never did any of those things or thought those things? Oh geez I guess one of his close friends wouldn't know shit about any of that. I guess after the bloodshed in chicago the numbers of protesters out on the street stayed the same or increased? I guess history didn't happen the way that danny describes. Riiiiight.... please don't kid yourself or the people reading this.
You older hippies hate to admit it but ultimately you failed. The point of this video is for the youth to realize the mistakes of their elders and not repeat them in the same manner if this kind of thing rolls around again.
P.S. If you didn't listen to the whole 7 minute clip (as I can see some of you didn't based on the rubbish I see here) then don't bother posting your erroneous opinions. Thank you.

 

Funny, because I'm pretty sure Rev JC is pretty close to the same age as you, or at least I know he was born after the "hippies" were in vogue.

 

I could tell from the pic he wasn't one. I was assuming some of the other posters were older but looking more closely now it's doubtful. Now back to relevance I pray.....

 

Why is the clip the same dialogue played twice???
It's really only 7:12 long.

 

In fact the numbers did increase http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/15/newsid_2533000/2533131.stm

 

Uhhh normally I don't like ppl claiming my intentions and would tell you to fuck right off but in this case you're mostly right. That is why I posted this. I wouldn't go around acting like that in the future .... thanks for the support though.

 

For every article you have , I have 10 that state it as the killing blow for the movement. That and JFK, RFK, MLK. It happened whether you like that or not. They were as danny said 'shocked out of their collectiveness'. I can tell by the lack of response from any original hippies that most of them don't want to remember that part of history.

 

If it's relevance you want, then kill this whole thread.
It's pretty irrelevant topic.

 

Killing blow for what movement? The overthrow the government movement, perhaps, though the SDS and the Weathermen were still active afterward. The anti-war movement? Get real. I personally attended one of those moratoriums. That movement not only grew in size but in disparity as mainstream Americans, members of the establishment, started marching alongside us.

 

How dare you confuse the issue with an eyewitness account!
Don't you know the OP wasn't there but watched some documentaries so he's now an expert on the times.
How dare you!
Damn hippies!
:afro:

 

been thinking about this for a few days;

What a joke!
this coming from a person who was born into the major paradigm shifts that the era of the sixties and the hippies brought about.

What were you expecting, or rather do you think they should have had a violent overthrow of the government? If so your an idiot and anybody at the time that thought that was ever going to happen was an idiot.

Hippies failed miserably?
How?
Because they didn't hang Nixon on the White House lawn?

Yup let's consider all the miserable failures of that tumultuous era.

Let me see...
when was the last time you saw a "colored only" drinking fountain?

When was the last time somebody was drafted, even though we have been through two wars recently?

Ever use the Internet and World Wide Web, many aspects of which were developed by "hippies"?

Curious, do you have an iPod or iPad? Jobs was a hippy type, but a miserable failure.

How many women were arrested for getting abortions recently?

When was the last time somebody was arrested for simply being homosexual?

Oh, and guess what, gay people can get married now in many places!

Have you gotten your medical marijuana yet today? I have.

Wanna know something really friggin' crazy!!??
They are actually using magic mushrooms, LSD, MDMA, and many other psychedelics for treating different ailments, LEGALLY.
Who woulda ever thunk it?

The list goes on, just gotta break outta whatever stereotypes and faulty notions you seem to be operating under in order to see the trickle down effects.

My point is that there are so many positive things and attitude changes that arose from that era and the civil rights/hippie movement that quit frankly somebody younger than about 50 really isn't going to be able to fully appreciate or comprehend.

Biggest impact of the "hippy" movement was it forced a paradigm shift on the world.
It shook the world by the scruff of the neck and said "We ain't in Kansas any more Toto, shit's gotta change."
And change it has, not according to some revolutionary timetable, but at the pace that social change in a relatively stable society progresses at.

Maybe not a dramatic, violent overthrow of the government, but a whole shit ton of things have changed for the better as a direct result of those miserable failures, them damn hippies!