Are there any chemists on forums? Does anyone have informations about toxicity of synthetic psychedelics? It is hard to find anything. What other damage it might cause? There is new research chemical which producent advertises on this forum, it is called Flubromazepam. On the other forum one of them says that it was tested on 10 people and everyone provided positive feedback. Basing on that, he can't be sure that this substance is safe, or can he?
I'm not a chemist but... Flubromazepam is a Benzo, so it'd be more along the lines of xanax or valium. A sample size of 10 is small and I would not use that as a source to say anything about its potential toxicity and it certainly wouldn't suggest anything regarding long term use. From what I understand of many of these RC's, that positive feedback may simply suggest 10 people enjoyed the psychoactive effects rather than anything about the drugs safety.
What standard of "danger" are you using. If you're asking if any of these psychedelics are FDA approved, then the answer is that none of them are. Well, maybe psilocibin in terminally ill patients, cannabis in some states, etc. Research chemicals are just that; chemicals for which research is either still currently underway or hasn't even begun. If you want the kinds of safety margins that the government can give you with medications, as in double blind placebo studies with hundreds or thousands of participants, longitudinal studies, etc, you are simply not going to get this in the research community. What we mostly work with is anecdotal reference, with meta analysis of community forums. Also keep in mind that "research chemical" can mean something quite toxic like mPPP, or it can mean something apparently extremely benign like 4-aco-dmt, so you have to take each molecule on its own basis. For example, the 2c-x series appears to be fairly non-toxic, yet there is some evidence that 2c-i in particular may damage thyroid glands. Ultimately this is risky, but how risky is hard to say. Someone who does nothing but smoke cigarettes and drink beer may laugh at us idiots who put untested drugs in our bodies, and yet all the evidence points to his two socially acceptable drugs being orders of magnitude more damaging to him, his wallet, his social life, and society, than most research chemicals. Drug class is extremely important too; stimulants, depressants, and benzodiazepines are going to be inherently very dangerous to play with, while classic psychedelics tend to be very safe. There is no shortcut for this, you need to do your homework. Research, research, research.
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I have just given flubromazepam as an example of a new synthetic drug. I want to know, if it is known that this particular substance, affects your organism in a negative way. Does it destroy brain cells, does it affect heart, does it make damage in any other way.
i'm a (bio)chemist. i can't tell you about RCs' effects on your heart or brain cells, because those experiments have not been done. mostly all we have is peoples' subjective opinions on the chemicals. and whether or not they "feel" tough on the heart for example. Flubromazepam is apparently super new.
It is super new. But, the best guess wouldn't be as broad as "it is a benzo" so its addictive, causes withdrawals, and is non-toxic. The best guess (in my opinion) would be to compare it to its most researched and most closely related chemical analog. Of which, I do not know. However, I do know that benzos tend to be non-neurotoxic, are addictive more so than opiates (physically, but less so mentally), and can cause withdrawals P.S. It probably also causes amnesia. Who would have though?
N2p0.com here! Mr.Writer pretty much nailed it, but I'd like to add a little. Of course since I've designed/ am selling the product you can take what I write with a grain of salt. Pretty much. Flubromazepam’s got all the usual effects and side effects of benzos. My own assessment (quoted from another forum); “Unfortunately there isn't any, since this is a brand new molecule, designed by me and a chemist friend. It looks like this. The general idea was to use the general structure of Flunitrazepam and switch the electronegative groups to Bromide and Fluoride respectively + omitting the methyl group on the nitrogen. We got inspired when we noticed there's a fairly old patent that includes our product molecule, which seemed to indicate someone was interested by it (or something similar) at some point. The synthesis was designed by us (an old method, altered) and done by a small chemistry company since we could hardly afford lab equipment; benzos in general require some high-tech stuff. A total of about 10 people have tried it, all of them happy with the result. It knocks me out pretty good in any case.” Fluoride isn’t exactly rare in medical compounds. For example, flunitrazepam and halazepam both have at least one as part of their structure. Halazepam is less toxic than chlordiazepoxide and diazepam, the benzos it is most similar to, both of which don’t have a fluoride atom. Other examples: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quazepam (four fluoride atoms), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinolazepam So I don’t think that’s much to worry about. If you have more questions you're welcome to ask here or mail us at n2p0.com[at]hush.com
