cryonics: not just myth?

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by BuddyBuds, Jun 2, 2004.

  1. BuddyBuds

    BuddyBuds Member

    check this site out http://www.alcor.org/

    found it while looking on a web page about the movie "vanilla sky"

    maybe it's a big scam, but fairly intersting none the less
     
  2. veinglory

    veinglory Member

    I agree. Freezing ruptures cell membranes beyond any reasonable chance of repair.
     
  3. jerry420

    jerry420 Doctor of everything Lifetime Supporter

    unless you found a way to make the ice crystals round instead of sharp.
     
  4. BuddyBuds

    BuddyBuds Member

    check out the webpage, it's not about people being frozen after death. It's about freezing (or vitrification) people BEFORE they die to preserve the physical basis of the human mind for an unlimited span of time.

    The current technology favored by Alcor is vitrification, not freezing. Vitrification is an ice-free process in which more than 60% of the water inside cells is replaced with protective chemicals. This completely prevents freezing during deep cooling. Instead of freezing, molecules just move slower and slower until all chemistry stops at the glass transition temperature (approximately -124°C). Unlike freezing, there is no ice formation or ice damage in vitrified tissue. Blood vessels have been reversibly vitrified, and it was reported at a recent conference that whole kidneys have been recovered and successfully transplanted after cooling to -50°C (-58°F) while protected with vitrification chemicals.

    the webpage is about life extension, not freezing the body once there dead in hopes fo reviving them someday. they want to freeze your body, but let you mind remain in a dreamlike state for (possibly) eternity
     
  5. veinglory

    veinglory Member

    A dead body pumped full of gycerol is still a dead body.

    CNN:
    Not everyone is as optimistic. Many see the practice as a scam and question its medical and scientific basis. In February, the Arizona House Health Committee unanimously voted in favor of a bill to require Alcor to be regulated by the state funeral board.

    Jones, 35, said that although her "medical training is informal," she has taken part in about a third of the procedures since 1990. After each member is pronounced legally dead, Alcor takes custody of his or her remains and begins preserving them. Members have two options: whole-body suspensions and those in which the head is removed.

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    $50,000 to have your head jellied and frozen -- 'cause somebody with somehow revive you and make you a whole new body.

    As if.
     
  6. shaggie

    shaggie Senior Member

    Discovery channel used to have FutureWatch and Beyond 2000 many years ago. Then they got obsessed with sharks and miltary jet fighters. :(
     
  7. DarkLunacy

    DarkLunacy Senior Member

    I want to see them freeze then thaw a living being. See how that works out. But essentially if your dead anyway whats it gonna hurt?
     
  8. veinglory

    veinglory Member

    That's the essence of the scam. Even though the chance of successs is, um, *zero* the pay-off is life. But given that the chance is actually zero the money would be better used by the deceased's heirs or some charity, improving the lives of people who are still alive rather than enriching these modern snake-oil salesmen.
     

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