First attempt. I meant to take pictures of the process. But I only took the one of the almost finished product. I wanted to try this because I like using Sally via the quid method. I take a handful of leaf (up to 8 grams) and hold it in the mouth for about 30 minutes, no spitting or swallowing. I can get up to the "Altered" level of experience (using this guide). The biggest problem is that, I really can't fit more leaf in my mouth, and holding that much material and looking like Dizzy Gillespie for a half hour is just uncomfortable. So I recently tried making something of a strong tea. Knowing that Salvinorin A isn't highly soluble in water, I used about half an ounce of leaf, 12 ounces of boiling water and a bag of peppermint tea to help with flavor. (Since they are both somewhat related, I thought maybe the flavor would mingle and mask the right way. It helped.) I then did the "sip and swish" method for about a half hour. Meaning I took a decent amount of the tea in my mouth, held it in my cheeks and swished for a few minutes, then spit it out. By the time I had finished the cup I had reached the "Light Visionary" state. It felt way stronger than the quid method. Still, a bit uncomfortable to have all that shit my mouth and have to swish and stuff. So, I'm experimenting making a crude tincture/extract using a method on Erowid.com. I didn't follow the directions exactly, so here's my crude attempt. 1. Used about 20g of leaf that I had left. Powdered it in my Magic Bullet. 2. Did 3 washes with 90% IPA. Couldn't find anything stronger. 3. After each wash, I let the leaf settle and "poured off " the alcohol into a pyrex pie plate to be evaporated. I poured through a coffee filter to catch and plant material that wasn't settled and put that back in the jar. 4. I let the dark green alcohol solution settle, and after the tannen had fallen out, I poured off the solution and wiped out the tannen. (How this was done wasn't explained in the instructions, so I just poured slowly and carefully and assume there would be some loss in this process.) 5. Let it evaporate in a dark place for two days. This morning I checked the pie plate and there was no alcohol, just crusted, sticky goo. Which I've started to scrape into a ball: View attachment 42079 It's definitely a crude product. Plenty of fine plant powder still in there somehow, even through the filter. I definitely could have let it settle and poured off a few more times, but this it just a first time run with a single dose. Most of the crust on the plate is dry or gummy (since I didn't remove any waxes). But that wad in the middle is still somewhat wet: View attachment 42080 I don't smell any IPA, but I do wonder what that liquid is? Water/salvia juice left over from the alcohol evap? Going to try and dry it out further. Then hold the mush in the side of my mouth like a quid, but it should be much stronger. Wish me luck!
try a bit of hexane and see if the wax suspends.. interesting 90% ISO is 10%h20.. Wait.. but hexane will also suspend h20
I'm not even sure where I'd be able to get any hexane? I think at this point I'm just going to wait until it all dries out. I don't really mind the wax in there, apparently keeping it in makes the extract easier to smoke, if I wanted to do that.
Alright, just finished a first go of it. Can't say it was a success. I was left with about a quarter sized, dark waxy material. I took a very small piece and put it under my tongue, and moved it back and for between there and gumline. I kept it there for a half hour, which is the usual time for buccal administration of salvia. I want to say I'm feeling threshold effects here. That slight headiness you get when you first chew a small bit of leaf, so I think there is potential. The small chunk was still pretty much solid when I finally spit out, so I probably didn't get as much out of it as I could have. I think for the rest, I might try dissolving it in a teaspoon of hot water first, or maybe a few drops of vodka to make s sort of tincture. This might get the extract to release a bit more of the salvinorin A for my mouth to absorb. So at this point, I think the issue is the low dose, the waxy texture, and possibly the fact that I didn't prepare my mouth by brushing/rinsing. Hopefully I'll hit up the rest at some point this weekend, though if I have the chance on Saturday, I plan on spending it in an opium induced trance. =)
http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/rodi_2044_365728229 product is 90% hexane.. just FYI and ref:.. car parts store..:cheers2:
I might look into that. The wax seems an issue for oral administration. I've been wary of extractions that require potentially toxic chemicals, I was actually nervous about using the Isopropyl alcohol instead of grain alcohol, because I don't know what kind of residue might be left over, etc. At least I know where to get the chem if I go that route next time.
Well its not so refined,, Cause the company I believe is changing its products, Alot of their stuff was pure, till they started cracking down on solvents.. ive used it to wash coke and meth, and never had a problem with separations. so idk.. isohexane, methyl alcohol.. 10% Carbon dioxide.. propellant
Tried the rest of the extract. Not what I had hoped for. I put it in a cup with a splash of hot water which I hoped would break things up a bit, but stillwas left with a waxy glob. I put the goup into my mouth and swished it around for a half hour. I just spit it out and I still feel the effects strengthening, but not near as strong as when I swished the tea around for a half hour. I think the issue, again is delivering the goods from the waxy extract into the body somehow. I think maybe a naphtha wash to remove the wax (the second step in the instructions I read) would leave me with a product I could use more easily sublingually. Or, reconstituting with alcohol instead of water. I just don't like the idea of alcohol breath, yuck. I think maybe instead of an alcohol evap I could just make a tea and evaporate/reconstitute that. The whole thing would be easier if salvinorin wasn't destroyed in the stomach.
