Crimes Against Nature - Part One

~Zen~ · Jul 10, 2016

In California they say that there are at least 66 million dead standing trees.

They found that by satellite research.

It is a huge problem in this time of prolonged drought, as it does increase the danger of mega-style wildfires such as we have seen in recent years.

Twenty-nine million trees died in 2015.
~photo from the USFS

Recent mega-fires in California and elsewhere have made the situation much worse indeed that that. In northern California, just one mega-fire, the Valley Fire of 2015, torched 170,000 acres.

Forest management practices leave millions of dead trees throughout the western US. Not only leading to the danger of extreme fires, the practice of 'girdling' a tree and leaving it to die isn't fast enough for the timber companies. They drill holes into the trees and add herbicides to kill it, leading to environmental damage and pollution of the watershed.

Their goal is to selectively clear out any unwanted varieties of trees in the forest, making it easier for eventual clear-cutting in future. This mono-cropping has degraded the ecology by destroying the diversity of the forest. Not only do certain tree species disappear, but the other plants, fungi and wildlife that live in symbiosis are also lost.

...we concluded the most effective way to bring back a healthy conifer forest in our lifetime was to treat tan oak, selectively, carefully, in the woods, literally tree by tree. Treating tan oak involves using herbicide (about two cups per acre) that is injected directly into the trunk of tan oak trees, following a cut made in the bark.
The treatment results in trees dropping most leaves in six to nine months (depending on the time of year), and beginning to fall down within three to four years. After several years, the treated trees largely decompose and their biomass is added to the duff layer of the forest. The treatment of tan oak reduces competition for sunlight and water allowing redwood and Douglas fir trees to thrive.
~Mendocino Redwood Company of Ukiah,
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Free Firewood Signs Are Everywhere
Photo: Michael Macor, The Chronicle
Bill Harsh has stacks of wood salvaged from dying trees on his property in Mariposa.

Now California has a huge problem, dead trees everywhere. More than anyone can use.

Officials who are cutting down and stacking the most dangerous trees in piles across six counties, however, say they are stumped by how to get rid of them all.
One solution is to fire up a fleet of 10 large, mechanized incinerators the state recently purchased. Promoters say they burn so hot that they spew little if any smoke, making them environmentally friendly.
Environmentalists contend the burners undercut an emergency order by Gov. Jerry Brown — considered a global leader in the fight against climate change — who called for sending the trees to biomass plants and converting them into energy.
https://www.dtnpf.com/agriculture/web/ag/news/world-policy/article/2016/06/19/calif-battle-dead-tree-epidemic
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Each machine can burn eight trees an hour. It's not going to do the job.

"This is bad," said Jim McDougald, a CalFire division chief in Fresno County, "It'll never come back — not in our lifetime."
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Governor Brown has started a Tree Mortality Task Force — headed up by Cal Fire, the statewide firefighting agency to come up with solutions to this problem.

Seems a little late to the game, and is he just fiddling around while California burns?

Wikipedia has much more information about sustainable forestry management. Read about it here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_forest_management

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Moonglow181 · Jul 10, 2016

News such as that makes me sad.

Bud D · Jul 10, 2016

I saw a movie where they were killing tree's. It should be illegal as that's not the right thing to be doing.

Tyrsonswood · Jul 10, 2016

You're not the only ones with problems...

Emerald Ash Borer....

EAB threatens the entire North American Fraxinus genus. It has killed at least tens of millions of ash trees so far and threatens to kill most of the 8.7 billion ash trees throughout North America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_ash_borer
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Okay... So where is the crime? Some fuckhead made the decision to use live Ash trunks as spreaders between containers in the hold of a cargo ship instead of building spreaders out of kiln dried wood... (which would have been the norm.) Those Ash trees were infected with EAB.... Saved a bunch of money and besides those Ash trunks could be sold as firewood once the ship got to Michigan... Double ChaChing. Once here the EAB spread faster than wildfire. Will this fucking bonehead ever be found and charged with the damage his greed cost the woodlands of the north east? Oh, hell no.

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As an aside, I'm glad I don't live in Mariposa, CA anymore. I have to wonder if anybody can live in my cabin now, I had a low producing well in 2004 when it was sold. Now, with the drought? fuckall!

Moonglow181 · Jul 18, 2016

There are too many crimes against nature......

Nature is my church......
I do not need a building for that.
If people cannot see that all wildlife, oceans, forests, etc....are what should be revered, then I do not want to have anything to do with them.
I get sick about these missiles being launched and experimentations over the waters, like North Korea is doing now.....
not only because I see North Korea as threatening, but because of the oceans.

There are too many crimes against nature.....way too many.

TheGreatShoeScam · Nov 28, 2016

Moonglow181 said:

If people cannot see that all wildlife, oceans, forests, etc....are what should be revered, then I do not want to have anything to do with them...

There are too many crimes against nature.....way too many.
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I was out on my bicycle and ran into someone I knew from town and he showed me the house he bought and was working on.

The landscaper crew was just leaving with a 65 Foot tree the dumbass cut down !!! And the other tree they trimmed the shit out of still had this long branch coming out horizontal I would say 40 feet, the dude is like that should be cut "the lawn"

Suburbanites make me sick, I thought this guy was alright and I was just like what a total terd. "The lawn" you A hole ! You had 2 beautyfull trees to shade you from the brutal Florida sun and you killed one maimed the other so you could do that stupid lawn thing ?

Suburbanites , they are Crimes Against Nature.

TheGreatShoeScam · Nov 28, 2016

Bud D said:

I saw a movie where they were killing tree's. It should be illegal as that's not the right thing to be doing.
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It should be illegal to cut down any tree older they you are.

Respect for your elders.

OldDude2 · Nov 28, 2016

Wood burning stoves ....... everyone should have one in their home.
When I lived in the west, I had one in each of my homes, free heating and good exercise.

~Zen~ · Nov 29, 2016

Wood burning stoves should be banned or fitted with catalytic converters.

Just because you live in the country doesn't give you the right to pollute the air with particulates and noxious gases which do come naturally from burning wood in wood-stoves...

They regulate the heat by controlling the combustion process.

To be efficient, many users fill it up, light it up, then close the drafts to tiny openings, in order to smolder the wood all night keeping the house warm.

These incompletely combusted wood pieces give off amazingly toxic gases and fumes. I have lived downwind from these noxious abusers of the environment and had to move as a result.

CRIME AGAINST NATURE! Not a benefit.

Moonglow181 · Nov 29, 2016

The thing I noticed,. you speak out against it in anyway.....rebelious, nasty people will go out and do more...kill something else, ect, just to spite you....just like I would like to do right now and burn a flag to spite trump....but i won't.
I hate him. he threatens nature so it ties in here...At least i won't go kill anything.

Meliai · Nov 29, 2016

HipChris said:

Wood burning stoves should be banned or fitted with catalytic converters.

Just because you live in the country doesn't give you the right to pollute the air with particulates and noxious gases which do come naturally from burning wood in wood-stoves...

They regulate the heat by controlling the combustion process.

To be efficient, many users fill it up, light it up, then close the drafts to tiny openings, in order to smolder the wood all night keeping the house warm.

These incompletely combusted wood pieces give off amazingly toxic gases and fumes. I have lived downwind from these noxious abusers of the environment and had to move as a result.

CRIME AGAINST NATURE! Not a benefit.
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I never knew that. I grew up with a woodburning stove.we didnt have central heat.

I wonder whose carbon footprint would be larger, one who heats their home with a woodburning stove or one who uses electric or natural gas heat?

I like radiators myself, i cant really see a negative for them in an environmental context. They arent very common where i live though

pensfan13 · Nov 29, 2016

Lightning should be arrested.

TheGreatShoeScam · Nov 29, 2016

HipChris said:

Wood burning stoves should be banned or fitted with catalytic converters.

Just because you live in the country doesn't give you the right to pollute the air with particulates and noxious gases which do come naturally from burning wood in wood-stoves...

They regulate the heat by controlling the combustion process.

To be efficient, many users fill it up, light it up, then close the drafts to tiny openings, in order to smolder the wood all night keeping the house warm.

These incompletely combusted wood pieces give off amazingly toxic gases and fumes. I have lived downwind from these noxious abusers of the environment and had to move as a result.

CRIME AGAINST NATURE! Not a benefit.
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Weatherwatch: how bushfires create their own rain https://www.theguardian.com/news/2014/jan/27/weatherwatch-how-bushfires-create-rain

Chop the trees and burn them using catalytic converters all clean, that's screwing with nature too.
I got a long phone call after I started and lost my direction with this post but there is that smoke and rain connection.

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forest fire producing rain is not the same as scattered wood burning stoves over a town, county, state. we get what youre saying but not enough smoke is produced localized by stoves.

~Zen~ · Nov 30, 2016

Try living in Bend Oregon during the winter... you'd think you were back in the days of London when everyone burned COAL (you know, that CLEAN energy stuff!!!???).

Wood stoves suck. They have made me sick all my life and probably contributed to my asthma which progressed into COPD - and no I never smoked cigarettes.

Gas burns far cleaner with less particulate matter... but again a crime against nature for it's extraction process.

Sad news is the only way thru this is to reduce the population and live in climates that are more suitable... and less energy intensive areas such as deserts and far northern climes.

Less people equals less pollution... but no one will talk about that!!!

Moonglow181 · Nov 30, 2016

No, they won't...but anyone intelligent will, HipChris. I see humankind as a virus now that is just eating and destroying everything.

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