Could a New World Order be a good thing?

I sometimes feel like I'm the only one on these forums who thinks a NWO could be a potentially good thing for the benefit of humanity. To set one thing straight before I begin, I'm not talking about the cliche NWO where the government controls everything, the people get no freedom, and everyone turns into 'sheeple'.

I'm talking about a NWO where everyone is happy, peaceful, and productive. The only potential problem is that people can be stubborn and cling to the cultures and traditions they grew up with. Things like religions, politics, government styles, etc. Someone in another thread mentioned that people should accept THE TRUTH about everything, or a peaceful NWO would never be feasable. Like I said to him, believing in just ONE TRUTH leads only to trouble. It's the belief in ONE TRUTH that currently fuels the people behind the jihad.

Another member then responded by saying that you can't define what truth is not until you define what truth is. and I responded with the following:

Just wanted to know what you guys think about all this. A peaceful NWO where everyone accepts people for who they are, and everyone is still allowed to keep the culture of their choice.

 

Well, a peaceful NWO may be feasible, but it would require a massive paradigm shift and change in consciousness, and massive death of ego.

 

Oh, for fuck sake. When are you people going to learn that your utopia is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN?! All of your talk of sustainable energy, peaceful globalization, whatever, is a fucking delusion. We've been moving toward this for the past 10,000 years of so, and look at us. We're fucked. There's nothing inherently wrong with humans that makes us do these things to each other and the planet, we are just animals, and you don't see animals behaving like this do you? Human nature is not the problem. It's the nature of hierarchal systems, and you want to globalize this system even further? You are just buying into the biggest lie in history, the central lie of civilization that has led us to the brink of ruin. Put whatever face on it you wish, fascism is fascism is fascism. It can have no other effect than to destroy diversity, alienate people, kill the planet, deprive us of our freedom and everything that is good and truthful and beautiful in the world. What about indigenous cultures? Will you tell me that? When has globalization ever been good for them?
I can't believe I'm losing my composure over a fucking internet post. But this is so typical, and I'm getting sick of hearing this all the time.

 

we have the technology for sustainable energy, and the reason for peaceful globalization

unfortunately

profit > technology
profit > peace

 

World peace won't be possible just so long as people you have an attitude like yours. And on another note, who said anything about fascism? Or the destruction of diversity and deprivation of freedom?

Obviously humans are only human, and technically are animals, like you said. But humans can do things that no other animal in the world can do. Not only do we have the power to create and imagine, but the power of choice. The power to choose between good and evil. Theres always going to be screwed up people with a negative view on the earth, and people who say "Were fucked" when things look bad. People who give up and run when the going gets tough.

Dude, your mindset is like a disease. Think it all you want, but for God's sake don't spread it around. There is a goodness to mankid as well. Try to focus on the positive instead of the negative. You reap what you sow,and you're just spreading seeds of ignorance. A mindset like yours is the last thing our planet needs.

 

I agree...I personally think that our ancients (Sumerians, Aztecs, Atlantis even) accomplished a peaceful "nwo", but that is considering that they had a population that is the fraction of what we have today.

we definitely could do it, but we need to stop attacking the symptoms and attack the cause....as of right now, it doesn't seem that our people can up and do it, and it's as if a higher power would have to intervene for this to happen.

a good start would be using Nikola Tesla's papers and patents (most of which aren't in use) to harness zero point energy...but like I said, that is a symptom of the corruption that is up top...we need to get to the nucleus of this problem and that is something that might happen in the next 3 or so years. let's just concentrate on the exposing it for now.

 

The only sustainable source of energy comes from the sun. The only sustainable way of storing that energy is in living cells. Your idea of sustainable energy is a pipe dream. There is no such thing as a sustainable civilization.
For god sake, Yeal, please read what I said again, and leave the fucking straw man alone. I'm trying to encourage some critical thinking here. I never said there's anything wrong with humans. We got along just fine until we developed the political means to destroy each other en mass.
I'll say it again: THE PROBLEM IS NOT HUMANS. IT IS THE SYSTEM. You lefties trying to reform/revolutionize the system is only making it stronger, and making the problem bigger.
Exactly how is my mindset a disease? I have a profound reverence for life that you seem to lack. I've seen a problem and I'm trying to draw attention to it, instead of dressing it up to look nice.

 

The Sumerians and Aztecs both oppressive hierarchal civilizations. They both destroyed their landbases and drove themselves to extinction.

 

Sometimes talking to leftists is like trying to describe water to a fish....

 

good god you are negative. hey guys, Crazy Horse has an announcement...free energy is impossible. don't ask why, just accept it and move on because that just the way it is.

please..Russian scientists proved long ago that there was an energy in the universe than can be harness (see the works of Kozyrev), and modern science is now catching up and doing the same, albeit under terms like zero point energy.

here is mathematical proof courtesy of Jovan Marjanovic
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Image..._Magnetisam_Where_Newton_Law_is_Not_Valid.pdf

at the very least, there is now way for you to "prove" this wrong like you are acting you have already done.

 

it doesn't take much imagination to realize what humans are capable of.

almost none to ask why we have certain institutions, why they are relevant and why we still have them.

but logic and reason is too much to ask from most people

we have the nerve to reject alternatives under false pretense

 

At the risk of repeating myself...

What About?

What About this:

Complete and total separation of State and SCIENCE ~ X amount of dollars to be given to a Trust, which a panel of scientists would distribute, according to to THEIR top priorities, whether it's curing cancer or inventing sustainable energy. We, the people would have some say in the "projects" ~ forget global warming, cow fart gases ~ all the bullspit stuff that folks get their friends to vote funds for. Lobbyists? Pffft! SALESMEN.

Next: Free education, from 1/2 day Kindergarten through, if desired, a doctorate. If you were voluntarily psych-tested, you could narrow your choices by looking at those for which you're best suited. If you could truly be anything you wanted to be...

AND have the option of a complete change, should you not enjoy the first!

Along with the free from cost education, Free School Systems, and free teachers. If there are two opposing theories (i.e., Evolutionism / Creationism), BOTH would be taught. Let folks make up their own minds.

High School: REQUIRED COURSES: How To Balance a Checkbook; How to Live on a Budget; Personal Hygiene for Home and Body; How to Wash Clothes; you know ~ "Life Skills."

Hey, it's time for :sifone:

so i'll brb!

 

Oh my. This is depressing. I've spend a pretty significant amount of time trying to engage in well thought out critique on these forums, tried to elevate the discourse, and almost all of it has been met with stony silence. But as soon as I hit the caps lock, I get labeled as being 'too negative'... By someone who would put a positive spin on mass murder and genocide... http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=317167

You know, while you may not agree with what I have to say about civilization and technology, I am actually a very loving and nurturing person and, considering the crisis we face, I would say I'm pretty upbeat, if only a bit of a curmudgeon.

Believe me, I can imagine plenty. But it's going to take a lot more than imagination to get out of this mess. What you imagine to be the reasons behind these institutions may not in fact be the reality, my friend. The fact is we got along just fine without them for the greater part of our existence as a species. It is only over the course of 10,000 years or so at the most that we've been coerced into this state of dependence. If you hold imagination in such high esteem, please- if only as a mental exercise, try to imagine a world where such institutions are obsolete.

I don't know how familiar you are with the history of the left, but traditionally their role was- and is- to quash more meaningful revolutionary activity, or to redirect in such a way to strengthen the very system which oppresses them. Unions are one example, which had a devastating effect on the Luddite movement during the industrial revolution.

We've been warned against this path for a long time now. Ever hear of the Hopi prophecies? Ah, speaking of which I notice no one's addressed my question about the indigenous. But I guess I could have predicted that. They've always been invisible to you people, haven't they?

 

Actually, all Christians believe in it.

 

While the dream of a world order based on peace, love, and freedom of the people is always on my mind, it is not a realitstic dream, not yet at least. I can't begin to name how many people on these forums alone have criticized me for my peaceful ideals and beliefs. And if these forums have a hard time accepting somethin' like that, then how would a world as diverse as each snowflake respond?

 

Oh yeah, and what is this higher purpose that you attribute to humanity that is worth sacrificing 100+ species a day, the biosphere, indigenous cultures, the climate, our family life, our sanity? And please, please, please, please, PLEASE don't say anything about 'getting off this rock', or I'm going to cry.

 

And while we're at it, Christians believe in a Christian Utopia, not a Utopia for all mankind, any and all non Christians are excluded from this future world dream that Christian religion teaches. In fact if you follow the biblical ideal of Utopia all of us who do not believe in Christ or Yahweh will be in hell.

 

Yeah, you are a little hot about it, eh?

i don't know that much about indigenous peoples,

but it seems like a good idea...

They would receive medicines ~ vaccinations FIRST and foremost ~

in trade for their medical secrets;

you know, with no trickery, nor bribery, offer THEM the choices.

idk, man, when it comes to indigenous people, i REALLY think that cannibals WOULD "benefit from globalization."

:rofl:

 

I'll hold my tongue. Except to say that In the Spirit of Crazy Horse by Peter Matthiessen would be a good place to start if you would like to know more. As would Custer Died for Your Sins by Vine Deloria Jr. As would almost anything by Ward Churchill.

 

Wait.... okay, the vaccination bit gave it away. Jesus, I gotta lighten up.