Convincing My Wife

Discussion in 'Free Love' started by Robert B, Oct 19, 2020.

  1. Alice in SC

    Alice in SC Senior Member

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    Okay so is it okay that my husband shares me with his friend? Is it okay that my husband watches?
     
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  2. Lovnflman

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    When we were first engaged/married we agreed that anything sexual we agreed on was permissible. My ex wife had a frequent lover for about six months, and current wife and I have had several MFMs and she had her first and only female lover. Yeah, we're all church goers, but what we decide to do within the bounds of marriage is up to us.
     
  3. NubbinsUp

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    The word in question, regarding extra-marital sex being wrong, is "πορνεία" (porneia). From classical Greek literature, it's best translated as prostitution, and in Greece five centuries before the biblical condemnation was written, it had no significant negative connotation. However, this isn't written in classical Greek, nor five centuries earlier. In the common or Koine Greek of Greek-speaking people of Paul's time, especially among Jews and gentiles who were followers, it had a definite pejorative connotation, and it most likely refers to all extra-marital sex (sex other than with one's own spouse), rather than just to the subset of extra-marital sex that is prostitution. It retains about the same meaning today in modern Greek and the same negative connotation as when Paul chose the word - prostitution, fornication, and whoring.

    There are many different English translations of the offenses listed in the original/earliest surviving Koine Greek. Each set of scholars who've undertaken an English translation made a good faith effort. Looking only at the best among them, while some scholars translate "porneia" into modern English using the general terms "sexual wickedness," "illicit sexuality," or "sexual immorality," others translate it specifically as "fornication." This last item is particular enough that it doesn't need to be defined further or explained; "fornication" has a single clear meaning in English. Of the various offenses listed in that passage, some translations are general, and some translations are very specific. "Adultery" also appears among the specific actions warned against in many translations, even more than "fornication" does.

    It is reasonable to say that the message of the passage in question is that Becky's adultery (because it appears in most English translations as one of the listed offenses) and Ben's fornication (because it appears in some good translations among the listed offenses) are barriers to the Kingdom for them. Anyone advising shouldn't be taking a skate-on-the-edge posture - believers consider the consequences of error on the wrong side to be immense.

    I'm not commenting on the sex in this thread - I think the whole thing started as a spoof, and RobertB just kept it rolling, adding details of subsequent fictional encounters for his amusement and to keep the comments coming.

    I'm not expressing any personal point of view regarding sex and morality, nor whether Christianity or the Bible are good things. I'm merely pointing out that naked's point about fornication is better stated and more accurate than bob's. Bob is wrong in his assertion that the Bible never says that sex between unmarried people is wrong, unless he rejects every English translation that uses the word "fornication," and unless he concludes that the original Greek term isn't always associated with sin. He's free to do so, but he ought to point out that it's what he is doing. His compendium is too well stated for this omission to be inadvertent. Not disclosing that he's cherry-picking and omitting so many occurrences indicates an intention to mislead. It's deceptive. The Old Testament is a cherry-pickers paradise - unquestionably, there is a whole lot of wildly contradictory stuff there, and bob picks and chooses freely in his selection of references from the Hebrew Bible.

    Also worth noting - it isn't just 1 Corinthians 6:9 where the word "porneia" is used. It appears over 20 times in the New Testament, and every time it's indicated to be a sin. In some cases, it's more clear than others what type of sexual activity is involved. For example, in some uses, we can tell from the context that it's clearly referring to adultery, and in some, prostitution. In the case of 1 Corinthians 6:9, it's an intentional error for an informed person reading it and advising another to say that neither adultery (even with the permission of the spouse not having sex) or fornication is identified as a serious sin in a source considered to be authoritative by essentially all Christians.

    The only reason it's relevant at all is that RobertB introduced the spoof that is this thread by saying that the three individuals involved are Christians, and later specifying Baptists. I see the humor in it, as he continued the bit by creating and adding new details of the sex involved. The set-up is like a party at which a trio of hard-core vegans are about to roast and devour a pig, claiming to remain vegan, and relishing every last mouthful of pork they consume.
     
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  4. AnyaZ89

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    Well is Becky is too shy, you can send Ben to me! ;)
     
  5. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Very much okay, yes. Nobody's doing you behind his back, nor is he being coerced to share you - either would be trespassing against the word. So go ahead and enjoy God's bountiful blessings!
     
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  6. JoeAlvon

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    Love is love and sex is sex and both are even sweeter when the twain shall meet.
     
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  7. Alice in SC

    Alice in SC Senior Member

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    Thanks for your input!
     
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  8. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Well, I believe that's an unproductive (and ill informed) way to look at it. I believe the Bible is inspired by God to guide humanity to live happily, healthy, and be prosperously. I'm not here to illustrate why and try to convince the skeptical, there's plenty of professional writing on the subject for the curious learning adept to study. Unaware people think that the term "men" in the Bible means a gender when in fact it was a generic term for people. And let's not forget that in the primal days women were "manhandled" being generally of less physical prowess, a condition to take account of at the time of the writings.

    But yeah, people are going to believe what they want to believe, and typically justify their actions such that they're comfortable with them.
     
  9. Robert B

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    Becky's having Ben's baby in July! We have some issues to sort out, but we're all very happy.
     
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  10. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Glad you got it sorted. Hope you keep things sorted and the baby is given proper loving treatment through childhood to become a productive caring citizen.
     
  11. Robert B

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    She will be much loved. Ben wants to be on her life, we are all for that.
     
  12. Romper

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    This thread is total BS. As I said earlier in the thread when Ben hadn't even had sex with the OP's wife, but yet he wanted to give her a baby, that just isn't realistic. And now she is pregnant with Ben's child? Come on people, quit responding to this guy's fantasies. He is putting all of you on. He has had a good ride. Time for it to end. None of this has happened.
     
  13. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Yeah.... But .... I dunno....
    Look who's in the white house.
    :-/
     
  14. Romper

    Romper Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Irrespective of that, none of this ever happened. The OP is playing all of you. Time for this thread to die, as it should have done back at the beginning when Ben and Becky wanted Ben to give her a child and they hadn't even had sex yet! Plus, Becky is white and Ben Is black. How well would that have gone over in their small and religious community?

    Leave this BS thread alone and let it die. It is all fantasy for Robert B, the OP.
     
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  15. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Could be. I have no way to know. My point was that stranger things with seemingly very low probability have happened. So we should avoid being 100% positive about anything we don't have firsthand knowledge of.
     
  16. bob44044

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    Modern word adultery means sex outside your marriage.

    But the original translation was different. Modern word “adultery” evolved from the Latin verb, “adulterare. That in turn was translated from the original Greek word, moicheia, which means “the seduction of a free woman under the protection of the head of a household”. Which means, “to seduce the wife of the husband without his permission”. It means you’re being dishonest without the husband’s permission.

    This is just one an example of how definitions of words can get altered by translation over the years.
     
  17. bob44044

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    I think everyone knows that the Bible is not a single book, but a collection of books written over many many hundreds of years by many authors. As far as The Cat in the Hat comment, it just signals that your an atheist, and in context for the question asked at the beginning of this discussion, your opinion is of absolutely no value.
     
  18. buzzgunner

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    Neil deGrasse Tyson is well known for saying, "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it." Well, the same thing is true about adultery, whether you're religious or not.

    (BTW, I'm an agnostic, not an atheist... and it's "you're", not "your".)
     
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  19. Alice in SC

    Alice in SC Senior Member

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    I'm So Confused!
     
  20. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Hahahaha that's the plan.

    My suggestion: just do your thing and disregard others' opinions. God knows your heart. Let Him guide you, not mankind.
     
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