Completely Blind, Completely Deaf, And Completely Paralyzed From Birth?

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  1. AceK

    AceK Scientia Potentia Est

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    Suppose that someone was born completely blind, deaf and completely paralyzed. They would not be able to hear or see anything at all, and they are completely paralyzed so they would have no sense of touch. The most complete lack of sensory input.

    What would go on in this person's mind? I assume that they would still be able to think, and really, that that would be all that they could do is think since they have a brain but with no sensory input what would this person think about? Even though thought does not require language or visual symbols I have a hard time contemplating exactly what the thoughts of someone in this condition would be, as they would have no concept of anything. Would they even know that they exist, and if so, how would they know? They would have no way to interact with the world or even know that there is such a thing as an outside world.

    What if they had no sense of smell, or taste either? What then? I wouldn't think it would be like being in a coma or asleep because they would still have a normally functioning brain, and they would still sleep, and wake up but would have no way to observe anything in the outside world or interact with it, or know of it's existence. For all they are concerned, they are thee only one that exists, how would they even know what they were, or that they were human? Would they still have the sense of proprioreception?
     
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  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    There is a philosopher or philosophy that addresses this..but it escapes me at the moment.
     
  3. guerillabedlam

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    I'm not sure how but they'd sure play a mean pinball.
     
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  4. AceK

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    I'm curious as to what this would be like, i don't really wanna know personally though, and there's no way you could ask someone what it's like because they couldn't tell you.
     
  5. Moonglow181

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    Inner space only?
    I don't want to know either.....
     
  6. Tyrsonswood

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    Some people flip out when in a sensory deprivation tank... Others have had DMT experiences. (likely the same thing, just how the individual was able to handle it.) Who knows what would happen being born that way though, it wouldn't be the same thing.
     
  7. ginalee14

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    There's an inner-space so I'd think a human being in that condition would likely exist in another dimension, internally. Sometimes, some handicaps strengthen other abilities (commonly known as "idiot savant" ... massive deficiency in one or more areas but extraordinarily gifted in another).
     
  8. volunteer_tommy

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    Well, first of all, from a medical standpoint, it's extremely unlikely anyone born like that would survive into childhood and grow into a phase where they could think, and if they were put there by trauma, I sincerely doubt they would survive to the point they would regain consciousness.

    But, taking your hypothetical idea, I have two predictions. One: the human being born that way would be one of the single most stupid individuals to have existed, and I don't mean that in a derogatory way. Without sensory input of any kind, and paralysis, I sincerely doubt they would have the capacity or the ability to learn everything, as the senses are our window to the world. Simply put, I think they would be completely unaware and unable to develop a consciousness of any kind, much less human. If the person where aware before going into the experience, that brings us to number two: they would be able to cast aside any preset and bias picked up through learning - basically, cast aside perception, and ego - and be able to experience pure human consciousness, undimmed, completely free. And I do not know what that would be. There are some things, I believe, that we were not meant to know. That we cannot know. We're not ready.
     
  9. scratcho

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    God works in mysterious---aw fuck it.
     
  10. Tyrsonswood

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    I always thought that saying ended differently....
     
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  11. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    "put in your earplugs, put on your eye-shades, you know where to put the cork"










    we're not gonna take it...
     
  12. AceK

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    maybe this person would image flashes of light and colors which their mind would organize in different logical ways, and they would eventually imagine the big bang and the universe as it goes through its life cycle .. maybe they are god.
     
  13. Moonglow181

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    and in this state, wthout even any skin perceptions of any kind, although that is hard to imagine, but just for the sake of imagining it, I can only think of implosion as a result.
     
  14. AceK

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    they would not know what day it is, the time, or how long they had been alive as they would not remember being born, and would not remember dying ... just a fuzzy existence fading into perception and then fading out.
     
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    shall there be a sense of becoming ? can you escape your own heartbeat , and not only yours but
    your mother's when there once was two and now is one ? there exists a rhythm .
     
  16. AceK

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    i was thinking about what death would be like, to never exist again in all of eternity. i realized that no one remembers any of the almost 14 billion years before they were born, so maybe it's much the same, we won't remember dying just like we don't remember being born?
     
  17. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I believe this would be Empiricism:

    However there is a concept termed Proprioception which claims that we have more than 5 senses and if we did not have those 5 we would still experience something due to the sense of position of the various body parts and the movement of those parts. There is also interoception, which includes is the senses of temperature, pain, balance, and various chemical receptors in the body.
     
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  18. AceK

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    so you may still have a sense of body position, but no sense of touch to use as a reference?
     
  19. MeAgain

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    I take it to mean position of body parts, not the entire body, although balance would enter in. Like, you would have a different feel if you were spinning than if you were stationary, you could still get dizzy. Think of riding a roller coaster and hitting the dips and curves and feeling your internals moving around.
     
  20. Moonglow181

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    So as my father always said....what is the point of it all?
    Maybe none.
     

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