I was explaining some of my ideas to "more normal" (mainstream) people. They all thought it was a bit strange, how I wanted to live in a hut in the middle of nowhere, and generate my own electricity, and have an eco-toliet! However, the conversation later moved onto "where you would get food from?" and "what about the rubbish?". They seemed to assume that just because I wanted to live a partial eco existance in the mountains that I would be going the whole hog. I told them I would get food from the nearest shop, and rubbish would either be recycled or taken to the collection points used by the farmers and other rural inhabitants anyway. They seemed a little disappointed or in the very least confused by this! Now, I know that a lot of peeps on here ultimatly strive to aim for total self sufficiency - but how obtainable is this? I can't say I've looked into it greatly myself, it seems that it would occupy a huge amount of time, as well as require more land to harvest your own food - and it also tends to restrict the sites you can use. For instance, I would be looking to buy or rent some farmland for cattle and crops/growing tents?? By contrast, my current vision is for a much smaller land need, in a woodland area - overall a much lower impact because the only real space you need is that of your dwelling(s). Of course, you can still use the local water supply, and maybe gather eddible foods or make use of the local rabbit population if that's okay with your ethics. But you would still need a local shop for the bulk of your food! It would be nice to aim to be entirely self sufficient at a later date, but I don't think it's something that can be done overnight. There is also the question of time - I realise a lot of people are quite content to spend much of their life committed to a full self sustained existance, but my vision is to spend a lot of my time helping other people for one thing... This would be a lot more difficult with a true self sustained existance.