i just had a big discussion with my mum on this subject. do you think in an IDEAL world it would work. i do...discuss....
No. There willl never be an ideal world because everyone's definitions of ideal are different. Not to mention the fact that communism and anarchy are total bullshit concepts that are nothing more than a hopeless dream by hopeless people. Have a nice day. -Kate
Too true. So far Communism has had a terrible track record. Think of Berlin when the wall was up. You heard about people escaping from east to west, but for some reason they never went the other way. I think people are too competetive to be content with communism. The ideal is noble, but the reality just gets twisted into a power struggle and violent dictatorship. TTFN Sage
but if everybody could b content with what they were given, and people wernt greedy and pressured by what they saw from outside, i believe it could work. not that it will ever happen. there will always b sum1 wanting more.
everyone has a bad idea of what communism is because of what our government tells us. our government doesn't like it cuz it's different. and that means it could pose a threat. if they are more like us, they are more likely to be an ally. but who's to say our government is right? and they act like they are doing it to be kind-hearted and noble, when really it's only because it benefits them. you can't be communist AND capitalist, and our government eats up capitalism. i say give communism a chance.
It is impossible to have freedom in a world with injustice and inequality. That is not freedom. It is slavery.
Quote: Originally Posted by Strawberry_Fields_Forever No. There willl never be an ideal world because everyone's definitions of ideal are different. Not to mention the fact that communism and anarchy are total bullshit concepts that are nothing more than a hopeless dream by hopeless people. Have a nice day. -Kate where i think people get mixed up is that politics are really not 1 dimensional like is normally portrayed (left/right wing), rather, there are other dimensions at play, such as up and down, or facistic, to anarchistic, (controlling government all the way to no government) and although this is just one more aspect, my point is that you're getting things a little messed up. there is a such thing as communisms that have worked allowing the people as much or more freedom then we have now. it's called tribes. you're thinking of fascist communism, which is very different then just *communism*. you may say, well that's a commune and that's different, but tribes have been around long enough that they were around before "official" governments were put in place everywhere. personally i don't believe in true communism, i think it would be boring, and anarchy is great idealistically, but i don't believe in that either, it's too late for anarchy, there's too much dangerous technology and too many interconnected people that it wouldnt' take long for those people to grab the oppurtunity at taking control. rather, i believe in anarchism. the theories of anarchy. the ones you can apply to your everyday life.
in an ideal world... i agree with the others, it cannot exist. but 4 the sake of the question, i guess it could work. and in this world, it could work better than capitalism is now. not saying it would, but it could.
if everybody who was for communism moved into a country by themselves, i believe it would work, and very well too. the thing that spoils it here are the mcdonalds bosses and the people that own travel companies etc... basically the fat cats at the top.
I think I'd be down with the communist ideals and the building of a communist society after revolution. Everyone has to be down, no corruption, no racism, everyone equal but still respect each others differences. Take the klu klux communists in America, they where fuckers. They'd work with the white right against Garvey. Don't think they where down with what they where saying and they got their some ideas completely wrong and pillaged from the real revolutionaries. I think race is the first form of oppression before class, it's fucking obvious, anyone who disagrees fuck em. We got to offer reparations to blacks, browns and every other opressed people in the world cos white people have been practising slavery far too long. Nowadays it ain't plantations it's financial slavery, but it still exists. It's always got to be justice and equality because before it there will be no peace.
so who's to say that if there were another revolution everyone would follow the "right" beliefs? People will always disagree with each other, it is impossible for everyone to agree to one thing. It is ignorant for you to assume that all blacks are poor and that all whites are rich. I wish that slavery had never been legal in this country, but I can't change the past. We should have done reparations after the civil war, but it's too late now. There aren't anymore blacks that were legally enslaved in this country, and there aren't any whites that have legally owned slaves. The past is over--take what you can from it and MOVE ON. I (or my parents, rather) should not be forced to give up their money to blacks that have never known slavery. You should also be aware that there was slavery all throughout Africa BEFORE the "evil white man" got there. They were enslaving each other, and when the Europeans came to West Africa they usually worked out a deal with the local tribes in power and took some of there slaves. Another thing, is that slavery STILL EXISTS, and when I say that I don't mean: "I have to go to work on monday, I'm a slave, boo-hoo". I mean there are 30 million people in this world (most of them enslaved by NONWHITES) who aren't getting a dime for their work. I'm not saying racism doesn't exist in the US, and there are certainly problems black people must overcome. But that will have to be done through improvement in inner-city education and job training programs, not by whitey giving black people free money. -Kate
As long as people appreciate each others cultural differences and respect the ideals of justice and equality to bring freedom for all and respect each other and are willing to die for the cause then the revolution will work. I still believe there will be a revolution. If somebodys not down with the revolution when it comes then shoot them down because they are the friend of the opressor. I am white myself but skin shouldn't matter because I respect people from different backgrounds. Just because slavery has taken other forms doesn't meen my government doesn't owe the offspring of the slaves reparations and the so called third world as well. So your parents are asked for money as taxes to slaughter innocent people abroad to fund their wars and make a base in the middle east, but I can't say that my grandparents owe money to offspring of slaves becuase what they have came from the backs of slaves any way? Reparations does not mean free money. It means giving back the money, land and freedom that was robbed from these people. The opressors want to forget racism and not acknowledge that it happened. I hope people worldwide will keep fighting until this predominately white racist power ancknowledge that they owe their victims for their crimes and stop purpotrating their crimes worldwide. Anyone who fights or dies for the rights and freedom of people no matter the colour of their skin I respect you. At no point did I justify slavery, but you'll find that the slavery perpotrated before the african holocaust in africa was a much kinder type than what the type the white europeans created. I never said that all blacks are poor, but a large amount are. Worldwide it's more clear that it is the case. It should be about race first, respect to Marcus Garvey. He had the right ideas, keeping it revolutionary, no riding the fence. What about the new age financial slavery, low paying dead end jobs, ghettos, drug dealing and trafficking, TV, radio and other media, our governments are responsible for it all. In america there are people without running water. They put their Japanese people in concentration camps in WW2. They traficked drugs in the vietnam war. They locked up Mumia. They killed Malcom X. They bombed innocent people in Iraq. They trained Bin Laden. They locked up people with unfair conditions and no trials in Guantanamo Bay. When your in jail you lose your right to vote... when will it end??? Fuck America! Ireland for the Irish, Africa for the African, America for the native americans. I got full respect for anyone trying to uplift their own people.
a revolution for what? what does communsim have to do with racism? communism makes citizens and workers of the country equal, race does not matter in communism what other forms has slavery taken exactly? it sounds like you dont know what you are talking about, either that or you just misplaced alot of words. I cant really see a question there but there is a question mark so.... In my experience of moving from place to place and meeting many people, most blacks think reparations should be the minimum wage per hour for wwhat their ancestors worked, but they are happy with their freedom and would rather be in America then Africa, the land that was robbed from their ancestors. hmm, well the current war that America is in was started because a group of people thought they were better than Christians, not whites in particular. The war has now been changed so that Bush can collect the oil there, but the war was actually started because of a group of people that thought they were a superior race, and the group that started this weren't white at all. a much kinder type of holocaust? yeah how kind they were and just what are the people who live in trailer parks? all those white people are just swimming around in money aren't they? and Marcus Garvey's ideas were pretty much to keep races seperate, which goes against what you "stand" for, doesnt it? Low paying dead end jobs - come to where I live its pretty much nothing but white people, and there are some of the most offensive jobs here I have ever seen, and not just with the paying ghettos - also exist in white america, called trailer parks drug dealing - how is the govt responsible for this? also I am white and have sold drugs before TV etc - the government controls most of what is on, but just what does this have to do with racism? which is what your trying to talk about isn it? well there are people without running water in lots of countries, what does that have to do with racism or slave reparations? or communism for that matter? why are the Japanese concentration camps being brought up? yes they were bad but come on it was over 60 years ago, and the survivors were paid reparations in the late 1980s. but whining about it now wont change the past. Mumia's trial was fucked up and the judge was a bigotted pig, and yes he should be freed but sitting on your computer complaining about it wont change anything. it sounds like you think you know what is going on, but I dont think you do. I am not supporting slavery in anyway I think it is very fucked up and the darkest side of this country's history so far, but I am not complaining about it because it happened over 140 years ago, it is over with and pretty much finished, except that I think that the survivees of the enslaved ancestors should be paid. and now on to communsim.... I think that it is a very great idea, with the workers owning the land and all workers having equal rights, but I dont know much more about it. It would never be accepted in America, since it is being taught as the "devil's government" in our schools.
its the concept of communism that is great, but its the communist leaders who overly abuse their power that makes communism seem like an evil type of government
What good is it if it would work ideally, but it doesn't work when applied? I, personally, think that communism works in small communities, but all you have to do to answer the question of wether communism is applicable on a larger scale is to look at the communist countries who have entirely failed. Even if the ideal of communism is 'a good one', what does it matter if when it is applied it fails?
i believe communism failed in russia because of the pressures from outside the country, not within it.
Before I begin, let me start by saying: You're fucking insane! What the hell? That's actually sounds like Bush-speak to me: "Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists." Please. How small minded can one person possibly be? The world is not black and white you moron. And shoot them down? Doesn't killing people who disagree with you make you more like Hitler than a "supporter of equality"? What about the rights of people who disagree with you? Do they not have any rights because they happened to form their own opinions on things seperately from you? Like hell you do. You just said to shoot down people who disagree with you. So you respect people from different backgrounds as long as they agree with you? You can respect people from different backgrounds without being a moron. What the hell do you know about third world countries? Have you ever been to one? Or better yet, have you ever even taken an economics class? Who the hell do you think gives poor countries foreign aid?? It's the developed, "white" world that gives the third world most of their money. And guess what?? THEY'RE STILL POOR!!! Poor countries are poor because either: A) They don't have enough economic resources, B) Their governments are corrupt and waste the money (which is NOT the fault of the developing world) or C) their countries are ravaged by war and/or disease. Take a bloody economics class before you go become a spewing fountain of bullshit. I don't always agree with what my government does with the defense budget, but we sure as hell need a military. And hell, if your grandparents want to give black people part of their own hard-earned money, they can go right ahead. But I sure as hell am not going to PAY A FINE because I'm white. It is VERY possible to be RACIST against WHITE people too, and that would be a prime example of it. LMFAO!! Oh my god, are you kidding me??! How the hell do plan on doing that? Looking at every single black person's family tree, going back to the plantation records (many of which no longer exist) and calculating exactly how much evil whitey owes the great-great-great-great-grandchildren of their slaves? And how do you propose giving back the land? Give each black person 10 acres in Alabama? What if they don't want to move? And just what the hell would they do with that land? How many black farmers do you know of? And you should know that reperations have been tried and failed in other parts of the world. In Zimbabwe, the black rulers said they were taking land away from white farmers who unfairly took it from the blacks. So they made all the white farmers (most of whom were employing a large number of black people on their farms who lost their jobs when they left) leave and when they gave the land to blacks they had no interest or skills in how to farm it so now MILLIONS of people are starving to death because food production is at an all-time low. Quit patting yourself on the back for being "accepting" when you don't accept those who disagree with you. You're no better than the Klu Klux Klan but against your own race. "Innocent people" includes white people as well.
I really have got to call you a stupid bitch first off You manipulated my words to add strength to your own stupid arguement. Just because I am pro black doesn't meen I am anti white? I think western governments are the most corrupt, lying bastards on the planet and these are the kind of people that would be against revolution. These are the people I'd like to see hung, gun down, slaughtered. They don't care for the people. They lie and deceive the people everyday making them beleive it is in their best interest to have these false leaders. I am not segregationist, whatever you think that meens. I just think that unity between black/brown people needs to happen before they can work with white people. It's a simple arguement really and I definaitely ain't the first person to say it. Fuck America, yeh did I say all black people should move to Africa? NO. Did Marcus Garvey? NO not exactly, he wanted the best talented black people to move to Africa to build it into a strong nation. I think maybe before that could even happen there needs to be unity between Africans and there are some awful governments that don't care for their people. Fuck them too. People should be able to live where they want. With freedom to land and natural resources. I live in England, but yeh I gues I'd call myself European not that it really matters to you. I think black people are African, not African American. Calling them African American is stupid because America is a country founded by the people that sold there ancestors as slaves. Their true origin is Africa. Black people are a homeless people. I meen any other race like Japanese can go home to their own country but black people where do they go? Black people built America, does it make them American? No it made them slaves though! The US governemnt has been known for its drug trafficking. It's old news. The white house is the rock house. It's just chemical warface on opressed people. Kill their own people by dealing crack. If you get locked up for dealing then you can't vote. Either way it's problem solved for Uncle Sam. The way to solve it to stop people dealing. It's a quick buck if your in a bad situation but it's hurting people of all races and creeds, worldwide. It's the rich white that profits big too not some lowly dealer. Drugs Oppress the People Everday I know Osama Bin Laden / Sadam Hussein are bad but I know who's worse. The european governments. At least I know where those people stand. They don't lie and deceive all this cloak and dagger shit. YOU ARE ARGUING FOR FOREIGN AID TO PEOPLE LIVING ABROAD BUT AGAINST REPARATIONS FOR SONS OF SLAVES LIVING IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY? YOU THINK YOUR GOVERNEMNT HAS A RIGHT TO A MILITARY THAT IS INTENT ON SLAUGHTERING NON WHTIES, SPENDING BILLIONS THAT COULD GO TO EDUCATION AND HOSPITALS ON GUNS AND BOMBS? Stupid bitch! What about the debt of some of these third world countries to UK/America? It's fucking outrageos. At the end of the day it will be down to black and white. Either you for the change for the greater good of all opressed people or you against. In which case you a friend of the opressor. So you either for the revolution and live or you against and you die. It needs to be that simple.
