Communism/Socialism and poverty

Do you think communism/socialism can be a solution to poverty?? and why?

I want to know your opinions

 

Yes. No.

Socialism is the closest thing to Soviet Russia, we don't wanna do that again.

Communism is Marxism, if that's what your talking about then yes. Poverty wouldn't exist but then again neither would money. Everyone would either be really poor or really rich, it's a 50/50 for dirt nations and for superpowers like the U.S. it's like in the 90 percentile.

 

WRONG!
Try modern day Sweden for an example of socialistic government.

Wrong again...

Marxism is Marxism
Maoism is Maoism
Stalin-ism is Stalin-ism
and so on...get it?

These very broad concepts of communism and/ or socialism should not be judged solely on the historical uses or abuses...given honest people, any of these systems of government could work...even dare I say capitalism.


Good luck finding honest people to administrate...

as they say,

"power corrupts and absolute power....well, you know the rest...:devil:

 

even worse, programmed materialism + consumerism= poverty of the soul for all income levels...

 

I don't think it can be a solution to poverty when the statistics show it actually causes poverty. I mean, basically socialism is the redistribution of wealth -- not from the rich to the poor, but from the general population to the state. The state couldn't care less about people's quality of life, and are just fine with making everyone equally poor and dependent on the system for basic survival needs. To me, that is what socialism is in a nutshell. It's about controlling -- not helping -- people.

Also, just look at how in the US, as social programs have increased with time, so has poverty. So if socialism eliminates poverty, it certainly has done a piss poor job of it in the US. Then again, there are many people who will deny that there is any such thing as socialism in America.

As far as communism, like Lenin said, it's "socialism in a hurry." The goals of socialism and communism are the same -- rob the people of their hard-earned wealth (at the barrel of a gun or otherwise), make them dependent, and then they're your slaves. Perfect winning formula for the power-hungry.

 

If I reposted the exact same thing would it make a difference? You cant even bring up politics without getting attacked, im a strong leftist and was briefly going over examples of philosophies but leaving space in-between to encourage the OP to research.

Dont let people be lazy...

Russia - The closest thing to socialism.
Sweden - The closest thing to china.
Communism - The closest thing to nothing......
Get it?

You really don't seem like u know anything.

If I quoted parts of your sentance, I could make the declaration of independence.
Get it?

 

Capitalism induces greed. That's why the Supreme Court just declared that corporations are people, and money is free speech. If capitalism really worked, we wouldn't have a $16 trillion national debt. Paying that debt off at $30 billion per month will take 1,500 years. The U.S. government has effectively turned us all into slaves. There has NEVER been a true communistic country. True communism isn't run by a small group of dictators. True communism takes care of all the people equally. Capitalism throws millions of people out in the street and in prison. America has more people in prison than any other country in the world, including China which has seven times as many people as the U.S.. China is a totalitarian oligarchy. The U.S. is a representative republic, not a democracy, just ask any republican.

 

:dizzy2: LOL

 

Exactly!!! Socialism and capitalism mixed is what's destroying our country. They send our young men to war, and rob us from cradle to grave with these expenses (from social security to the Iraq war.) But social security is a rip off, we got a shitty deal.

Nothing is every really free. The cost of food stamps, social security and all these other programs, get pushed on low class/middle class people who are trying to better their life.

Do you really think the 1% keeps their money in American banks? Ha! They own American banks and keep the money overseas. If anyone doesn't believe me, have fun telling your grandchildren why the national debt is;

[SIZE=+3]U.S. N[/SIZE][SIZE=+2]ATIONAL[/SIZE] [SIZE=+3]D[/SIZE][SIZE=+2]EBT[/SIZE] [SIZE=+3]C[/SIZE][SIZE=+2]LOCK[/SIZE] The Outstanding Public Debt as of 20 Jul 2012 at 12:48:57 AM GMT is:

The estimated population of the United States is 313,163,306
so each citizen's share of this debt is $50,703.32.
The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$3.91 billion per day since September 28, 2007!

 

All a corporation can do is offer you products. Too many (liberals?) think capitalism is at fault. If we had a Constitutional Government, they wouldn't take bribes. The only corporation that is a person in the Constitution, is the press.

So the REAL problem is government involvement. All the way around. Medicare,Obamacare,Wars, Taxes and over regulation. (Another thing which make liberals say 'no' to libertarianism.) But government regulations on businesses, put more pressure and financial burden on small businesses and lets the big businesses slide paying the minimal amount.

I mean people can blame Wall Street, Congress, or whoever. But the real problem lies beyond, there is a select few bank owners and corporate fat cats who control the world resources to a vast degree. Some are politicians, some have connections with politicians.

Something does have to be done with the current system, but not more taxation, more like less government!!!

 

I agree with zombiewolf:

(Bold for emphasis)

Socialism is collective (or group, not necessarily government) ownership of the means of production. Capitalism is private (or individual) ownership of the means of production.

There's no inherent reason why collective ownership of the means of production couldn't reduce poverty.

 

Maybe in a perfect world, outthere. But in the real world the Government redistributes the wealth, steals most of it and, spends it carelessly. Don't you guys remember the white house saying it spends 100,000 per roll of toilet paper. I mean honestly; they must be wiping their ass with our cash, cause it's all going in the toilet..

 

I'm by no means a spokesperson for the government. I agree with you that it is thoroughly corrupt. We agree there

As I see it, government redistributes the wealth according to the degree of "influence" purchased by the corporations. In my view money motivates politicians. period. Corporations have the money so they, in effect, make the rules. Individual people lose, corporations win.

What do you think would be the motivating factor for government redistribution of wealth?

I really like your shrooms...

 

Well it's more government control of our finances. I'm not literally saying I don't think people should feed the hungry, I just don't think the government should. Cause when this financial crisis really hits; The first thing they're going to cut is human resources. They're already talking about letting social security go bankrupt. An organization that people have been paying in their taxes for probably nearly 60 years.

I think we're closer than you think in our views. I just tend to blame the Government more. Otherwise I would have to boycott; Coca Cola, Pepsi,AT&T, Walmart, Chase bank (which I have,) and, many many others.

But that's the beauty in free market capitalism; Facebook supported CISPA and had to sell 20 million stocks shortly thereafter. Consumers like you and I control the market, like I said we're free enough to choose. (and I don't mean out of Coke or Pepsi.) I mean; if one is morally opposed to the way a business conducts itself politically, socially and economically; then one can boycott the said corporation.

But we also must remember that the free market is established by supply and demand, and consumers have a lot of demands to meet. We want quality, efficiency, sometimes quantity but mostly, consumers want low prices.

That's why many corporations, do the dirty business. But consumers haven't seemed to care much, when we do in fact regulate the market. As far as I can tell ALL of the former corporations I mentioned are doing, fine, in fact.

So blame WASHINGTON! Blame the corporation, that the government itself has become, (AKA Military-industrial Complex.)

and also be conscience, as a consumer; as to what exactly you're supporting, by paying a company.

Dig. Peace man!

 

But it's not a free market when de-regulation allowed speculators to scew the commodities markets...
massive insider trading virtually overlooked for decades...
...de-regulation of the financial industry has given us the housing bubble to the Libor scandel.

Federally subsidized corporations using legal loopholes to ship jobs offshore under gat and nafta...
And you want Government to get out of the way?
Fuck man, Government needs to monkey-tackle these fuckin' bastards before they drag us down to goddam 3rd world wasteland!

Unfortunately Wall St seems to have our 'Democratic Republic' in its back pocket so...

think just I'll get baked and play my horn down by the river...while I can still afford weed 'n valve oil lol :beatnik:

 

Again most government regulation, hurts SMALL business owners. You used the term "insider trading," think about that. They're in Wall Street AND their in government; so they can foresee the economy. Raise the price of oil by going to war with Iraq or Bail itself out to get some extra spending money. However, what I'm hearing from you is; you think the GOVERNMENT should clean itself up, when we all know how well they do that!!!

 

Tell ya what, give an example of one regulation hurting small business, the removal of which wouldn't compromise the environment or tread on labor/wages...:toetap05:

 

...the government should be us, the people... and technically it is... but we end up electing representatives based on the stupid shit they spew then we haven't got the guts to hold their feet to the fire when they fuck up, do things against the peoples will.

 

You did say one right?

 

We agree there, but I don't think anyone who we 'elect,' wasn't pre chosen by the powers that be.