Climate Change

Discussion in 'Politics' started by David Vanzant, Jan 12, 2023.

  1. ChinaCatSunflower002

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    Holy shit. John Clauser is a climate skeptic? Dude just won the Nobel Prize in 2022, and figured out how to actually run a test of John Bell’s Theorem. Literally one of the most important things to have happened in Quantum Mechanics…

    Edit: This article is fascinating. And so this whole time a big part of all this has been computer modeling? Isn’t computer modeling really poor at predicting the weather over even a two or three week span? Hasn’t it basically been known for a long time that Chaos Theory pretty much stops anyone from being able to totally and accurately predict the weather? So why is climate modeling being based on this?
     
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  2. newo

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    CCS002, you sound so smart, how can you be so foolish?

    Fuck it, I'm done trying to get you to see the obvious. I'll just keep posting cartoons like I always do.

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  3. ChinaCatSunflower002

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    Over 80% of wildfires are caused by human ignitions such as arson or otherwise.
     
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  5. MeAgain

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    Well, I've been away for a few days.

    Looks like everyone is having fun, as usual.

    I'll not comment on the past few days posts but I will on Piney's Real Clear article.

    For a rebuttal go here:
    Climate 'declaration' recirculates debunked claims
    ....etc.
     
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  6. scratcho

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    The following post is the same as the what coal and oil companies would say under oath about their products affecting the worlds climate. There are scientists that have been bought to deny climate change. "it's not proven," is the standard line they have been given. What's new under the sun?---many , many people will undermine their own integrity for money and / or fame. Documentation exposed has shown that those companies along with pentagon studies from decades ago--knew the truth--AND KNOW THE TRUTH. Climate denial is a paid industry.:cool:
     
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  7. scratcho

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    THIS JUST GOES TO SHOW--WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN MONEY? NOTHING.:cool:
     
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  8. Tishomingo

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    Are you talking necessary or sufficient cause? I have no doubt that the sufficient or proximate cause of most wildfires are cause either by human ignitions or by lightning. But certain combustible conditions make it more likely that a conflagration will occur and rage out of control when that happens. And climate is one of those. Living in Oklahoma, I'm familiar with burn warnings telling us that weather conditions are such that it's extremely dangerous to burn trash on certain days. If some jackass or arsonist fails to heed the warnings, (s)he'd be the proximate cause of any resulting wildfire, but the combustible climate made it possible.
     
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  9. Tishomingo

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    I'm sure nothing I said would indicate they were in some sort of alliance. If what you mean is they fed off of each other, I think that's true. Much of Hitler's and Mussolini's appeal is that they were an alternative to Communism and to increasingly unpopular democratic institutions including free market capitalism. They co-opted Communist working class support and eventually got capitalists and the petite bourgeoisie on board as the lesser of evils. But they and the commies were enemies who duked it out in the streets. Of course, Hitler and Stalin had a brief marriage of convenience in their Non-aggression pact, but that ended with Hitler's fateful attack on the Soviet Union.
     
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  10. ChinaCatSunflower002

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    I highly doubt that respected Nobel Prize winning John Clauser is selling out for fame and money lol…

    Perhaps some Scientists just actually think Climate Alarmism is mostly bullshit.

    Also…”the Science is settled” is the least Scientific thing anyone can say…
     
  11. Tishomingo

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    Clauser, now 80 years old, is a physicist, not a climate scientist. He won the Nobel Prize for work in quantum mechanics research, specifically the phenomenon of quantum entanglement, done over 50 years ago. He's weighing climate change against the impact of CO2 reduction measures on human populations. But he's speaking outside his field of expertise. It's his opinion. He never published any peer-reviewed climate science research. Last May, he joined the CO2 Coalition, an organization headed by William O'Keefe, former CEO of the American Petroleum Institute, and dedicated to climate change denial. His opinions on climate are at variance with those of a majority of climate scientists and seem to fly in the face of the facts: John F. Clauser: the latest climate science-denying physicist
    • incontrovertible evidence that CO2 is responsible for a 50% increase in the Earth's atmospheric CO2 since the Industrial Revolution-- a steep increase of 100 PPM since the mid 1700s;
    • a misplaced faith in cloud cover acting as a kind of thermostat;

    Why a distinguished octogenarian scientist would be making such bold statements on matters outside is field is anybody's guess.
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  12. ChinaCatSunflower002

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    Well, unfortunately for the Climate Alarmists…that’s how Science works. You’re eternally allowed to question. You’re allowed to challenge. You’re allowed to debate. The door is never closed. The Science is never “settled”. That’s how Science works.

    That’s why Quantum Mechanics has been unresolved with 20+ different interpretations for 100 years.

    Einstein was also speaking outside his field of expertise when challenging Quantum Mechanics. Einstein’s expertise was Relativity. But so what? You’re allowed to be syncretic. You’re allowed to go into any field you choose to.

    As the book “The Structure of Scientific Revolutions” pointed out, it’s usually someone outside the field who ends up upending an entire paradigm.
     
  13. Tishomingo

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    Yes, it's a free country. Anyone can question anything and express an opinion. Our challenge is to decide on its credibility. Einstein's opinions on quantum phenomena make interesting history, but science seems to have passed him by on the matter. And he was speaking outside his field of expertise. Besides, he never joined an industry-sponsored interest group dedicated to debunking QM.
     
  14. ChinaCatSunflower002

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    That’s still up for debate, actually. Quantum Mechanics is all about interpretation. Sounds kinda similar to Climate Change.

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    Einstein’s Hidden Variables may still turn out to be correct, even if he got it half wrong and it’s Nonlocal Hidden Variables rather than Local.

    Heck…Newton’s Absolute Space may still turn out to be correct. Tesla and Newton’s Aether may still turn out to be correct. There’s no Time to any of this. At any point, a firmly established field can become completely flipped upside down.
     
  15. Tishomingo

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    Maybe. Nothing is certain, not even that! What we regard as reality might be a Matrix-style simulation after all. Meanwhile, we have to make decisions on the basis of what appears to be the most likely state of affairs based on the available evidence. I'm going with the climate scientists! BTW, what is your source for the beautiful waterfall photo and dismissal of climate science? God? The API? Clauser?
     
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    World Climate Declaration There is no climate emergency

    “In response last month, more than 1,600 scientists, among them two Nobel physics laureates, Clauser and Ivar Giaever of Norway, signed a declaration stating that there is no climate emergency, and that climate advocacy has devolved into mass hysteria. The skeptics say the radical transformation of entire societies is marching forth without a full debate, based on dubious scientific claims amplified by knee-jerk journalism.”

    https://www.realclearinvestigations...fled_by_societys_top_institutions_978511.html
     
  17. ChinaCatSunflower002

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    Einstein would agree. That’s what his deterministic Hidden Variables were all about. Indeed, even the idea of Quantum uncertainty should be questioned…
     
  18. Tishomingo

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    Definitely. But the way science works is you don't just question but you test refutable hypotheses by rigorous evidence-based methods and submit the results to peer review. Just about everything, from Big Bang to evolution has been questioned--by reputable scientists. They might be right. Or maybe not. Re climate change, we'll find out soon enough--let's hope not before it's too late! I suspect the recent barrage of climate science denial is a response to the growing evidence confirming the theory.
    Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
    growing evidence for climate change - Yahoo Video Search Results
    Scientific Consensus | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/climate-change-crisis-history-research-carbon-human-impact
     
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  19. ChinaCatSunflower002

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    The world is gonna end in 12 or I mean 7 years! We have to start eating bugs, stop using straws, and stop driving cars or it’s over!
     
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    I suspect the pushback is coming from the obvious fear-mongering headlines coming out in unison on legacy media. These tactics happen constantly every few months regarding some subject, like clockwork. In 2021, replace Climate Alarmism with the Covid Vaccine, and it’s the exact same bullshit aggressive media fear hysteria going on. It happens constantly. It’s an obvious psychological formula, and people constantly gobble it up.
     

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