Climate Change

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Oh my mistake. The world is simply gonna end in 12 years. But that video is from 2018, so now we only have less than 7 years.

And oh we need to reduce the population you say? How exactly are we to achieve that in 12 or I mean 7 years? Hmm…

 

I don't know that that's likely, but I am concerned about disturbing trends and the denial accompanying them. The prospects of fascist dictatorship, nuclear war, and foreign invasion seem more imminent, thanks to sowers of division who are the most disturbing trend of all.

 

Oooooooo. AOC, The bugbear of the radical right. Not my "go to" source on the particulars of climate change! But I take the views of climate scientists seriously.

 

It may be too late. But the demographic transition has helped out. What the Demographic Transition Model Means to Developing Countries.
It's a good thing we have immigrants to supplement our aging population and the yuppies who aren't having kids anymore.

 

Yeah and how many on the left gobble up her garbage? Did you hear that ovation after she said that crap about the world ending in 12 years?

 

Please explain to me what your idea of Fascist dictatorship actually is I would love to know.

 

Also, that AOC video directs you to the UN website talking about Climate Change. Do you notice that little United Nations notification in the top left corner?

Besides, how many on the Left genuinely think the Green New Deal is a great idea? MANY. That’s AOC’s creation.

 

Fascist: A political movement and form of authoritarian government based on personalism and the leadership principle (follow the leader), nativism, nationalism, and opposition to outgroups. Dictatorship: "an autocratic form of government which is characterized by a leader, or a group of leaders, who hold governmental powers with few to no limitations." Wikipedia. Examples: Mussolini's Italy, Hitler's Germany, Putin's Russia, Orban's Hungary, Trump's future U.S.A. (at the rate we're going).

 

So what?

 

Probably not as many on the Right who gobble up the garbage of DJT, MTG, Matt Gates, Alex Jones, Fox news and the My Pillow Guy.

 

Sorry but no. Trump being mean on Twitter isn’t exactly a Fascist Dictatorship.

“A fascist is a follower of a political philosophy characterized by authoritarian views and a strong central government — and no tolerance for opposing opinions. Fascist traces to the Italian word fascio, meaning “group, bundle.” Under fascist rule, the emphasis is on the group — the nation — with few individual rights.”

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/fascist#:~:text=A fascist is a follower,nation — with few individual rights.

In other words, Fascism is another form of Collectivism, just as Communism is as well.

These are opposed to Individualism, which is much more aligned with the United States Constitution.

 

How naive! Trump does a lot more than rant on twitter or even Truth Social. He's transformed the Retrumplican Party into an unprincipled movement with no platform, no principles, and blind obedience to the Leader, who is a pussy grabbing narcissistic mob boss vowing to avenge those whom he views as his enemies--apparently including the DOJ and the FBI. He has contempt for the Constitution and the rule of law.

That's right--both enemies of freedom! But your dictionary definition is inadequate in distinguishing one from the other. It says nothing about the leadership principle, nativism, nationalism, and opposition to outgroups. Sloppy, sloppy!
"a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition." Definition of FASCISM
Better.

"a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy." Best!

 

I’ve never even voted for Trump just for the record. I think he’s a jackass at worst, but comparing him to Hitler or something isn’t only extremely silly, it’s nearly insulting, because it’s so far removed from actual Fascist Dictatorships.

Nonetheless, we can disagree on that. It’s whatever and besides the point.

The real point I’m trying to get at is that we should all beware of how much we are willing to let a Government, or International form of Governance (such as the United Nations), dictate to us how much we ought to give up our Individual Rights in the name of the Group, the “planet”, etc.

Of course it sounds fine on the surface, but I would hope it’s also easy to see the trajectory of how much we can transform into a Global Collectivist Dictatorship in the name of Climate Change.

 

Unlikely!

 

There’s also the concept of Red Fascism

Red fascism - Wikipedia

“Russia was the example for fascism. [...] Whether party 'communists' like it or not, the fact remains that the state order and rule in Russia are indistinguishable from those in Italy and Germany. Essentially they are alike. One may speak of a red, black, or brown 'soviet state', as well as of red, black or brown fascism.[7][8]”

I tend to hold this view. Fascism and Communism are best seen as rival gangs cut from the same Collectivist cloth.

Yet somehow, Libertarian emphasis on Individual Rights and “Don’t Tread On Me” has somehow been lumped into Fascism, when in fact it stands for the exact opposite. Sloppy, sloppy indeed…

 

Yes. As your wiki article says, that was a term used as a pejorative by Leftists against Stalinism. But an imprecise use of the language. IMO Stalinism was worse than Fascism. It was certainly a cult of personality, despite the Marxist-Leninist ideology. As was Maoism. But it added an internationalist ideology and egalitarian rhetoric that was effective in duping Left-wing idealists around the world. And it was far more collectivist with the economy.

Yes, they have that in common. But Communism is much more collectivist economically. Fascism, like the Retrumplican movement, was co-opted early on by capitalists and drew support from petty bourgeois shopkeepers and clerks, frightened by the specter of Communism. Putin's Russia today is an autocracy in which oligarchs have pretty much a free hand so long as they don't cause trouble for the regime. In that sense, it is Fascist.

Who is doing that? I don't know how or by whom true Libertarians are being lumped together with Fascism, unless they lend their support to the Retrumplican movement. If by Libertarian "Don't tread on me" you're including the militias and the motley crew of Neo-Nazis, Neo-Confederates and gun nuts that marched in Charlottesville and stormed our Capitol in 2021, nothing "Libertarian" about them, except maybe the rhetoric. They're essentially Trump's shock troops, just as Hitler drew support from the militia movement in Germany. Libertarians are a self-absorbed bunch with little concern for social justice. But if they're true Libertarians, I have no major beef with them.

 

And that is a feature of our Constitution we can be proud of. But it rests on norms of respect for democratic institutions like elections, the rule of law, and the rights of ALL individuals. These are threatened when a loser claims to be a winner and continues to rally his base on that slogan, without a shred of evidence supporting him. Or a single Retrumplican Senator abuses his privileges by holding up all appointments to our military until he gets his way on right wing social issues. Or a packed Supreme Court overturns fifty years of precedent and allows states to dictate a woman's rights over her own body. That's over half the population! Where are the libertarians when we really need them?

 

More climate dissent from Real Clear w a comments section.

https://www.realclearinvestigations...fled_by_societys_top_institutions_978511.html

 

I agree with most of the points that you have made, although I would make a few tweaks about the idea of Fascism and Capitalism being in some sort of alliance. I’m aware of the underlying dynamic at play, but ultimately Hitler himself was against Free Market Capitalism. I can say more about this if you request, but I think it would start drifting off topic a tad.

I fully support “my body, my choice” for not only abortion, but vaccines, etc.

I’m pro Individual Autonomy, so long as you are not harming someone else. The Non Aggression Principle is a good standard to live by.

On the subject of Climate Change, where things get iffy and sticky for me is the collectivist attitude that me driving my hypothetical Ford F-150 is causing harm to others because of my carbon footprint. I just could foresee a future where what kind of car I drive, what kind of food I eat, how often I drive, etc. could become controlled by the State due to extreme climate alarmism, and this clashes directly with my Pro-Autonomy stance.

That’s why I value Individualism so much, because when talking about the Non Aggression Principle or being Pro-Autonomy so long as I’m not harming anyone else, one has to stay Individualist and not become Collectivist when talking about these concepts.

Am I DIRECTLY harming someone specific in the moment (like punching someone in the face)? If yes, then my autonomy is wrong and should be corrected.

But the problem with Collectivism or even the idea of a “society” or “The Greater Good” is that they are phantom concepts. There is no such thing as “society”, there are only the sum total of Individuals who comprise it.

So if someone says I’m harming someone on a collectivist level simply by driving my car, I need to see DIRECTLY which Individuals I am harming in that moment, otherwise I’m not going to buy what’s being sold to me that I’m causing some sort of vague “overall” harm to “society”.

“The Greater Good” is another phantom concept, as what’s good for one Individual may not be good for another Individual.

On another note, many nasty things can be done in the name of “The Greater Good”, including Genocides, and so when people start talking about population reduction in the name of Climate Change, my spidey senses get awoken. The Greater Good is a very slippery slope, and we all should not take for granted the negative potentials of Mob Rule dictated by Fear.

Personally I just don’t think it’s far-fetched to see extreme climate alarmism morph its way into an almost Eugenic Depopulationist Climate Fascism that arises if we aren’t careful.

Will it become illegal to question Climate Change one day? Should it become illegal? If so, then from my view we are already in a very dangerous spot in regards to true Fascism.

“A fascist is a follower of a political philosophy characterized by authoritarian views and a strong central government — and no tolerance for opposing opinions. Fascist traces to the Italian word fascio, meaning “group, bundle.” Under fascist rule, the emphasis is on the group — the nation — with few individual rights.”

I know that I’ve been dubbed a “climate denier” but I don’t think that’s accurate. I’m completely open to a more Market-based solution to address climate issues. I have also shown my support for Cold Fusion. I just place extreme importance into that we shouldn’t let this become State Sponsored Climate Totalitarianism. If we get to a point to where we are allowing the Government dictate nearly everything about our lives in the name of Agenda 21 and Agenda 2030, and if I become a true heretic merely for challenging certain ideas on Climate Change, then I have a big issue with that.