"Clean coal" more republican lies

Discussion in 'Politics' started by rjhangover, Aug 10, 2012.

  1. rjhangover

    rjhangover Senior Member

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    Enjoying the heat? Thank the coal and oil industry for "global warming" that the cons deny is happening. No wonder they want to destroy the EPA. To prove that coal is "clean" the miners should not be allowed to wear any type of breathing mask. Black lung disease is as fake as global warming, huh.

    Just think, if Romney becomes POTUS and destroys the EPA, then Yucca Mtn. and WIPP(nuclear waste storage facility in N.M.) can do away with all regulations. Hell, it's going to start leaking anyway as soon as that salt eats through the containers. And the cons tell us that CO2 is good for the environment.

    Don't worry, it's a dry heat, like hell.
     
  2. jamgrassphan

    jamgrassphan Get up offa that thing Lifetime Supporter

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    Unfortunately, republicans aren't the only one telling that lie. Also, you need to be aware of the fact that the EPA was Nixon's gigantic middle finger to the environmental movement of the sixties. You see the GOP loves to privatize and outsource everything. The EPA gets most of its funding from licensing these polluters. It's a gigantic conflict of interest and something that no one seems to want to talk or think about. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we have "something", but the EPA is really more about "literally selling environmental stewardship" than actually providing any meaningful regulation.

    Finally, you're right, the GOP would love to dismantle the EPA entirely and have no regulation whatsoever, because the GOP represents people who can afford to live in NIMBY (not in my back yard) Land. These psychopaths would be more than happy to watch the world burn down around them.
     
  3. darkforest

    darkforest Member

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    If you don't like coal fired power plants please suggest ways to fix our energy problems.
     
  4. rjhangover

    rjhangover Senior Member

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    Wind and solar, but the oil and coal industry obstruct all efforts to develop those energies. That's also why the nylon rope, paper, tobacco and alcohol industries made hemp illegal. They didn't want the competition. When our founding fathers were running the country, growing hemp was mandatory. Now this country is run by corporate businesses like the ones mentioned. It's not about fixing our energy problems any more, it's all about greed.
     
  5. jamgrassphan

    jamgrassphan Get up offa that thing Lifetime Supporter

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    Stop using energy. Problem solved.
     
  6. ThisIsWhyYoureWrong

    ThisIsWhyYoureWrong Member

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    You should take the initiative and stop using your computer.
     
  7. sunfighter

    sunfighter Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    We've known what to do to create a safe, reliable, sustainable energy future for 40 years now. It involves creating a diverse mix of renewable energy sources, backed up with natural gas. The problem is that the entire Republican party and most of the Democrats, too, are in the pocket of the nuclear and fossil fuel industries. Almost every good idea has been blocked in Congress. The problem is entirely political and is the fault of voters who fail to get rid of the corruption.
     
  8. puggybear

    puggybear stars may twinkle-but I shine!

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    Stop procreating so profusely-problem greatly eased.
     
  9. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Huh. Just wondering why the suck-asses to the rich(who can do no wrong) haven't shown up here.
     
  10. rjhangover

    rjhangover Senior Member

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    Too busy brown nosing.
     
  11. treehuggingrockhound

    treehuggingrockhound Guest

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    I work in the environmental industry. Coal is not ever going to be clean. The EPA employs many people who love the environment and want to do good. The problem is that the EPA is given funding and is controlled by the government. Depending on how conservative or liberal the administration is depends on what the EPA can do. So the EPA gets a bad rep sometimes not because of the people who work for it, but because of the government that's in power. It's sad, the EPA should be ran by scientists, not politicians. This fact makes it very frustrating for scientists who do work for the EPA.
     
  12. treehuggingrockhound

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    As for oil, it's a great resource. We fail to realize that a great many things we need, sometimes in order to save lives, comes from petroleum. It's not all about crude. The fact is there's not enough sustainable energy from other sources to power the world. We can mix and match but we can't stop using oil. As for energy to power our homes, it would make sense to rely on regional energy. The midwest could really do well with wind and solar energy, the northeast would do better with gas. The southeast would have to use coal, etc. That would help to lower our emissions some until we could come up with better choices. The USA is a leader in pollution, we are also a leader in innovation. We have the ability to help third world countries to become lesser polluters. Why we don't spend our money on those sorts of ventures VS war or other political ventures is beyond me. Obviously it's tit for tat politics but they can't see the forest for the trees. Meaning, one day they will wake up and realize all the money in the world won't save them from the effects of environmental degradation.
     
  13. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    (to p 11)Scientists!!!! Oh no you don't. Romney and his ayn rand disciple have all the answers. And when we're standing in water up to our scrotes with our hair on fire--it'll be the democrats fault. Or the welfare bums. But I know how to fix all this shit. Go shopping.


    By the by--treehrh--have you looked at what can be made from hemp?
    Imagine ALL cars with small to midsize diesels that would burn hemp oil.

    The southeast has plenty of sun/solar potential--thus=no oil.
     
  14. treehuggingrockhound

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    To be honest, my experience lies in energy as we know it. Cleaning up after it's negative effects and trying to come up with better ways of obtaining it as to minimize impact. In fact, I have little time to explore all of the alternative energy sources other than what is popular. Like, wind, solar and ethanol. But even then, I don't get into those personally because I'm in the oil/gas industry. Sort of a devils advocate is how I feel most of the time LOL.

    However, I don't care what the fuel comes from if it's clean. There are so many brilliant minds and many aren't even scientists, just tinkerers, who come up with all these alternative energy sources. I think it's important for us to recognize any potential and get some scientists on it to go with it. The problem is coming up with research funding. Research scientists are generally too poor to fund their own experiments, thus rely on private or governmental contributions. Right now is the best time to get funding for this sort of thing as we are somewhat democratically controlled. But it's very evident that the oil/gas industry does try to stifle out any alternative sources, especially if they look like a reality.

    My personal view is that we are far from successfully having alternative energy sources. Too many lobbyists in big oil. I'm not biting the hand that feeds, big oil feeds my family. There's a lot of good people in it like myself, but there's also a lot of bad ones at the top who pollute and don't care.

    The south does have plenty of solar energy. But it's also pounded with hurricanes. In thinking about what's best for certain areas we also have to think about the cost of keeping up such devices and if it will be more costly in the end due to the weather they experience. Losing power in a hurricane is normal, but as part of trying to figure out our monetary issues in this country, we can't use too many state funds repairing vital energy grids when damaged. One of the cleanest sources of energy is water. Unfortunately damming up streams causes environmental degradation. It sucks to always have to rain on parades. One of the things I do is try to come up with solutions to problems, then brain storm if the problems created by the solution is worth taking the risk.
     
  15. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Ever been to west Texas? There is NOTHING there. Imagine thousand of acres of wind generators and/or slar panels,maybe even out of the publics sight. I'd venture to say that enough generators/panels could be brought on line to supply most of the needs of the whole country. Again=diesels running on hemp.
     
  16. SpacemanSpiff

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    all those materials needed for solar panels and generators need to be mined elsewhere..it just shifts the pollution sources to somewhere else...aluminum..copper...steel...nickel

    anyone that considers solar and wind as "environment friendly" is not looking at the big picture...after all the mining and refining pollution there is clearcutting to make way for the turbines (in my area it usually happens on the mountains)...then there is the manufacturing polution...and all those transports bringing everything to site


    why does it always show aluminum as misspelled ? lol
     
  17. rjhangover

    rjhangover Senior Member

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    I've been to south west Tx. There's miles and miles of 20 foot high prickly pear cactus, that's about it. West tx. is just sand, and it gets in everything from the wind. And the water tastes like petroleum. Ugliest place in America.

    Another form of energy is ocean turbine generators. We've got over ten thousand miles of coast. Those generators could supply electricity to every city along the Atlantic, the Gulf of Mexico and the Pacific.
     
  18. LetLovinTakeHold

    LetLovinTakeHold Cuz it will if you let it

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    "clean coal" doesn't have anything to do with mining. It's a term used for the process used to limit the pollution that's emitted while generating electricity. Is it perfect? Of course not. But it's a lot Cleaner than the old process. Is it the answer to our pollution? No. Obviously renewable resources are the answer. But while government is blocking alternative fuels "clean coal" is better than dirty.
     
  19. rjhangover

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    FYI, my statement had nothing to do with the mining of the coal. It's the pollution generated by the coal that has caused global warming, the excessive heat and drought we have today. There's no such thing as "clean coal".
     
  20. TheGhost

    TheGhost Auuhhhhmm ...

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    Too late man. We need a MAJOR war to to get on top of that problem.
     

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