Christianity and the Ten Commandments

Christianity (especially Catholism) breaks the first two. Thou shalt worship no other Gods before me and Thou shalt worship no graven images.

 

it's true. they skirt around it by placing jesus as god, which jesus clearly stated that he's not, but some backwards thinking on the part of john, wanting to make a philisophical and respectful man into a god became "in the beginning was the word, and the word was with god and the word was god." what a screw up. that always bothered me. jesus prayed to his father, not to himself. and he told others to do the same. but no one ever listens, do they? totally exasperating.

then there's the whole praying before statues. now, in some cases it can be said that they're merely using these statues as focusing tools, that they don't actually believe the statues will do anything, but what about those people that won't go ANYWHERE without a christopher's medal?

 

YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME...

Do you want me to quote every passage where Jesus says He is God.


I cannot believe the lack of knowledge people have in regards to the Bible... it is a shame

 

yes please..show me even 1 passage where jesus says hes god
he says hes the son of god..and he says we are all gods children..so he is just like us
but honnestly the last thing the world needs is more mindless bible quotes

 

oh lets not forget how many people our dear christian president has killed imn jesus's name...all religions are just excuses to get away with anything they want & be forgiven

 

wth?

 

Nope, Hate to burst your bubble my fellow vegetarian.

We don't worship more than one god, we worship ONLY one.

Here's an example of how it works:

We know that humans are made up of three parts: flesh, spirit, and soul. Yet, we're still one person. That's just how G-d works.
In fact, the Holy Scriptures state that we're made in G-d's image, which could be interpreted as being three parts. Just a random thought.

And no, generally, modern Christians don't worship statues, not even Orthodox/Catholics. ( they pray INFRONT of them, having the statue as a reminder, but they don't pray TO them. Now the Orth./Cath. dogma of praying to 'saints', is a different story... )

However, in the Olde days they did, that's a shame, praying to some graven images,
seeeing them as gods...the 'dark' ages.

 

I think this already took care of that:

http://hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1341015&postcount=19

 

RE: hristianity (especially Catholism) breaks the first two. Thou shalt worship no other Gods before me and Thou shalt worship no graven images.

Which Ten Commandments would we be talking about here?

There are TWO sets of "ten commandments" in the Bible.

 

When it comes to graven images, everyone seems to be worshipping money instead of using it as a tool. Just about every single piece of money in this world has a graven image of a person or animal on it.

As to the "no one gets to the Father but by me," I have my own thoughts which may get complicated and may offend some Christians. They are based on Buddhist principles.

 

well technically the second commandment says to not MAKE them as well as not to worship them...

also, didnt Jesus say to honour Him the same way you honour the Father

 

WHICH ten commandments?

 

yeah, see, the triune god bs.

 

im going to assume Exodus KJV

 

Yeah because you know I am right.... JESUS DID CLAIM HIM WAS GOD. Your going get your Bible quotes and maybe learn a few things from a non anti-Christian view


John 8:58
In this passage Jesus is involved in a controversy with His Jewish contemporaries. The subject of the argument is Jesus' own identity. In the process, He states that Abraham was glad to see Him. This statement really confuses the people, and they question how He could possibly have been around at the time of Abraham. Jesus responds: "Before Abraham was born, I am" (NIV). The expression, "I Am" was not a phrase that pious Jews would ever use, let alone in reference to themselves; for it was the name of God (see Exod. 3:14), and it would have been considered blasphemous to use that name for oneself. In referring to Himself as "I Am," He was saying that He was God.

Does this sound far-fetched to you? Is it not possible that we are reading all kinds of weighty theological information into a simple statement Jesus made? Fortunately we are being given clear information on how to understand this saying. In the next verse, we see the people picking up stones to throw at Him—the traditional response to evident blasphemy. Christ's listeners got the message exactly as He meant it: He was claiming to be God.

John 10:30
This passage is even clearer. In another debate about Jesus' identity, He says: "I and My Father are one" (NKJV). Thus He declared Himself to be equal with God the Father.

Once again this is a self-checking passage. We could debate for a long time exactly what Jesus might have meant, but the next verse leaves no doubt about what He communicated to His immediate audience. They took up stones again. They knew that once again He had claimed deity for Himself.

Luke 22:70 and Parallel Passages in Matthew and Mark
Here Jesus is on trial before the Sanhedrin, the Jewish council. After some futile efforts to convict Him on various charges, the priest and his associates turn to Jesus directly and question Him. Eventually they ask Him, "Are you the Son of God?" Jesus responds, "Yes, I am." It appears that we have a double claim here. Jesus acknowledges that He is the Son of God and also uses "I am" in His response as recorded by Luke.

Some scholars have questioned of late whether the claim to be the "Son of God" really entails a claim to being God.1 It is possible that at times the title was used simply to refer to the Messiah, but such an interpretation is impossible in this context. The reaction of the audience tells us exactly how we are supposed to understand what Jesus said and meant. Look at the next verse as well as the reactions reported in Matthew 26:63-66. It was not blasphemy to claim to be the Messiah, but it certainly was blasphemous to claim to be God, and that is exactly what Jesus must have done here.

John 5:17

Even Jesus' claim that God was His Father was a claim to deity. When Jesus said that His Father was at work in Him, He was not just expressing a sentimental attitude toward God. Once more His listeners sought to kill Him because He made Himself equal to God.

Mark 2:1-12

On some occasions when Jesus claimed to be God, He was a less direct; but by His actions He made it clear how He felt about His identity. One example is in this passage. Instead of healing the paralytic immediately, Jesus told him that his sins are forgiven. The scribes in the audience were appalled: "Only God can forgive sins." Reading their thoughts, Jesus then proves that He has the power to forgive sins by healing the man. And, of course, the scribes had it right all along. By forgiving sins Jesus showed that He was, in fact, God.

Matthew 7:22, 23

Any passage in which Jesus referred to Himself as judge on the last day constitutes a claim to be God. To His Jewish hearers it was a given that only God Himself would preside at the Last Judgment. Isaiah 33:22 says, "The Lord is our judge" (NIV). By making Himself Judge, Jesus was making Himself the Lord.

Have you ever wondered why the Jewish authorities got so angry with Jesus? For example, the verses here deal with Jesus' attitude toward the Sabbath; they end with the Pharisees' and Herodians' counseling to put Jesus to death. Were they that irate because Jesus and His disciples broke the Sabbath or because Jesus taught humanism and displayed a relaxed attitude toward the Sabbath? Surely not. In fact, Jesus was saying things some of the more liberalminded rabbis had said already without being put to death.

Mark 2:23—3:6

The clue to this passage is in verse 28. Jesus called Himself Lord of the Sabbath. To understand the import of this title, we need to know how the Jews felt (and still do feel) about the Sabbath commandment. No other commandment was regarded as a blessing so much as the fourth: "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy." No other commandment was seen as expressing so well the intimate relationship between God and His people. The Sabbath commandment was seen as the closest expression of God's love for the Jews. When Jesus called Himself "Lord of the Sabbath," He applied to Himself that very special place that belonged only to God.

Jesus' subsequent relaxed attitude toward the Sabbath should be seen as an expression of this conviction. He could do with the Sabbath as He liked because He owned the Sabbath. What blasphemy in His listeners' ears! Only God owns the Sabbath. No wonder, given their perspective, that they decided to kill this blasphemer!

Did Jesus claim to be God? These representative passages make it very clear that He did.

 

Excellent Post, JesusDiedForYou I could not of said it better myself. The Bible clearly said of Jesus. He was in the world, the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not. Only God made the world, and Jesus was God, in the flesh.

 

Well remember what Jesus said, ''If you have seen me, you have seen the Father.'' Scripture states, there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one.

 

Just a reminder, it was Jesus who said that if you have seen me you have seen the Father. (Not my words, but His.)
And scripture also states, that there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one.
Also there is the scripture that states. He was in the world, the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not. Jesus Christ was more than just a respectful man, He was the living God that made the world we live in, and most of the world does not know Him.

 

How are spirit and soul seperate? And, also, what is more temporary than a body? Is it right to equate an eternal God with human flesh?
I do believe we are made in God's image, though not physically. I believe, like Jesus said, that he is God, but I also believe that WE are God and that, on that level, we are eternal as well. The Ten Commandments states "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me". Perhaps what they are trying to say is "Don't place temporary things before me on the priority list because, the truth is, the are not real or eternal and will, therefore, do you no good". I'm sure God would put it much nicer than that, but you get the idea.
Jesus DOES state that he is God in the Bible (although who knows how reliable THAT source is) but I think he meant on his level of consciousness and spiritual awareness. He had finally realized (as we all inevitably will) that there was and is no difference or separation between God and he.

 

The catholic church has broken the first commandment for millenia.....prayed to a saint lately?