Choosing a Growlight! (Pre LED)

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  1. Naturalhi

    Naturalhi Great hairy ape

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    Lighting is one of the five major factors to consider when creating a support system for your plant life, (water, nutrients, oxygen and CO2 are the others). Thus if you plan to grow inside, out of season, you must supplement the sunlight normally required for proper growth. This can be done with three different kinds of lighting, incandescent, fluorescent, and H.I.D. (High Intensity Discharge). These are the most popular types of lighting for gardening purposes. There are many other kinds of lighting, but they don't produce proper color (kelvins) that is suitable for growing.
    Incandescent lighting-
    These are the least efficient and least effective method of lighting, for plant growth. Incandescent lighting is the same as what is used in the average medium base household fixtures. This type of lighting is a very poor choice of lighting for your garden because of their inefficiency.
    Fluorescent lights-
    These are a little better choice than incandescent lights due to the fact that they are about twice as efficient (lumens of light output per watt of electricity used). However these lights are not very effective in comparison to an HID (High Intensity Discharge) system and these lights must be less than 12 inches away from their subjects to ensure successful growth. However, some find that our T-5 fluorescent lights are perfect for use with seedlings and cuttings as well as for use with other plants that do not require the high intensity of H.I.D. (High Intensity Discharge) lighting.
    H.I.D. (High Intensity Discharge)- These lights are by far the most efficient and effective lights being used by growers today. There are two types of H.I.D. (High Intensity Discharge) lamps that have suitable light spectrums (color range) and intensity for plant growth. MH (Metal Halide) lamps are rich in the blue light spectrum, similar to full summer sun. HPS (High Pressure Sodium) lamps are rich in the red/yellow spectrums, similar to the color of the fall sun.

    METAL HALIDE
    (MH)


    MH (Metal Halide) bulbs are very efficient and produce between 70 and 115 lumens of light output per watt of electricity used. MH (Metal Halide) bulbs produce a light that is very close to full summer sun, with a spectrum rich in the blue end. This promotes fast vegetative growth and compact, stocky plants with short internodal leaf spacing.

    MH (Metal Halide) bulbs create light by passing electricity through an clear inner arc tube that is enclosed in the vacuum of an outer clear glass tube. This inner arc tube contains mercury and other metals in iodide form. When electricity is applied to these metal iodides they give off very intense light and heat. The outer casing can also be phosphorus coated. Most gardeners prefer the clear bulb, as it produces the brightest white light available.

    MH (Metal Halide) bulbs come in sizes from 70 to 1500 watts with the 250 w, 400 w and the 1000 w being the most popular sizes for gardening. All MH (Metal Halide) bulbs need to run with a ballast (a ballast is a transformer that steps up the voltage to the proper amount needed to ignite the iodides), that is designed to run that specific bulb size.

    The bulbs themselves need to be burned in a specific position. They come in three types: Vertical (marked BU or BD), Horizontal (marked HOR) and Universal (marked U). The universal bulbs can be burned in any position, but they still are more efficient when burned vertically.

    MH (Medal Halide) bulbs should be replaced about every 10,000 hours of use or approximately 18 months (as per an 18 hour / day on cycle).

    HIGH PRESSURE SODIUM

    HPS (High Pressure Sodium) bulbs are the most efficient bulbs that are available for grow lights. They are high in the red and yellow parts of the light spectrum and low in the blue, this imitates the fall sun. Because of this spectrum some plants that are grown with HPS (High Pressure Sodium) lights will grow elongated and rather leggy, while many other plants are not affected by the limited light spectrum. For plants that normally bud and flower in the fall an HPS (High Pressure Sodium) is usually the light of choice because it's light spectrum promotes flower production.



    There are color corrected HPS (High Pressure Sodium) bulbs (such as the Son Agro) available for improved growing with HPS (High Pressure Sodium) efficiency. These are designed specifically for indoor horticulture, and have a more balanced color spectrum.

    HPS (High Pressure Sodium) bulbs are made out of a translucent ceramic arc tube containing a mixture of sodium, mercury and xenon gas. This arc tube is suspended in an outer glass shield (bulb). HPS (High Pressure Sodium) bulbs range in power from 35w to 1000w, with the 250w, 400w, 600w and 1000w being the most popular for horticulture use.

    HPS (High Pressure Sodium) bulbs should be changed no later than 24 months from initial use. These bulbs (like the Metal Halides) also slowly lose their brightness over time, so to maintain proper light intensity the bulbs must be changed at the end of their rated life.

    Selecting a Grow Light


    Plants have the unique ability to manufacture their own food. The food manufacturing process is called photosynthesis. Photosynthesis is carried out by many different organisms, ranging from plants to bacteria (Figure 1). The best known form of photosynthesis is the one carried out by higher plants and algae, as well as by cyanobacteria and their relatives, which are responsible for a major part of photosynthesis in oceans. All these organisms convert CO2 (carbon dioxide) to organic material by reducing this gas to carbohydrates in a rather complex set of reactions. Electrons for this reduction reaction ultimately come from water, which is then converted to oxygen and protons. Energy for this process is provided by light, which is absorbed by pigments (primarily chlorophylls and carotenoids). Chlorophylls absorb blue and red light and carotenoids absorb blue-green light (Figure 2), but green and yellow light are not effectively absorbed by photosynthetic pigments in plants; therefore, light of these colors is either reflected by leaves or passes through the leaves. This is why plants are green.


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    The next chart shows the relationship between chlorophyll activity and color of light. Common electric light sources are indicated below the chart. You will notice that Metal Halide (MH) and High Pressure Sodium (HPS) produce light in the most photo synthetically active spectrums (colors).



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    As the chart above indicates, cool (blue) and warm (orange) colors in the spectrum enhance chlorophyll activity and food production. Cool light is most pronounced during the summer months when the sun is highest in the sky. It is responsible for keeping plants growth compact and shapely. Warm light, such as when the sun is lower in the sky during the fall harvest months, is responsible for triggering reproduction in plants in the form of flowers and fruits.

    After you select the type of lamp you want then you must decide how many systems will be required to cover the planted area. The following chart shows the coverage area of the available lamp sizes.
     
  2. 420hipman

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    great post nat.

    alot of people especially on this site need alot of help with growing because most havent tried it before.
     
  3. Naturalhi

    Naturalhi Great hairy ape

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    Thanx man,>)
     
  4. Naturalhi

    Naturalhi Great hairy ape

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    Above are represented the colors of CFL lights!

    Below are a couple more graphs of Cfl colors;

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    Compared to what plants require for growth;[​IMG]

    As the graphs show, one needs to use several different tempuratures of Cfl's to aquire enough spectrum for growing.>)
     
  5. jakedrew61

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    should i change the color of the lights when it becomes fall harvest season?
     
  6. BudBill

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    You can, it is not mandatory though. You see a higher calyx per leaf ratio with HPS vs MH during flowering. Its all good though.
     
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    cool because some of the lights ive been looking at dont let you rearange the lights.. thanks
     
  8. Naturalhi

    Naturalhi Great hairy ape

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    Thanx for covering BB, I haven't been watching close enough. been packing sticks n twigs n stuff for a long move:>D
     
  9. BudBill

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    Anytime! Too bad you are far far away I'd give you a hand and bring the truck :)

    -BB
     
  10. Naturalhi

    Naturalhi Great hairy ape

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    Thanx BB! who knew when I parked my ASSets here 6years ago that i'd ever have to move my ASSets again!

    Speaking of trucks I called one human,>\ and he wanted $1500 to bring his 1T over here backup and connect to my ASSets and tow them 200 miles....... I could buy my own truck, here at the edge of civilization, for that much!>P

    With money left over for GAS!>D
     
  11. BudBill

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    I tell ya when it comes to moving you find out who counts. Moved my brother 3 times. I asked him once to help with a couch - no show of course. :)

    Just becareful of your ASSets we need them healthy in one piece!!

    Lousy Humans!

    -BB
     
  12. Naturalhi

    Naturalhi Great hairy ape

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    :applause: AAAAWWWWwwww! for the good old days when humans cared about something other than themselves:grouphug:
     
  13. cheech & chong

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    Can someone just give me a specific suggestion and maybe a link to a good light?

    Im not real good at all this, being my first time and what not.
     
  14. lunbox24

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    Hey, could anybody answer a question for me regarding whats better? Ebay has HPS 1000 Watt lights up for sale on ebay and one person is selling two 1000 Watt bulbs, a 1000 Watt HP Ballast, and a socket for 70 bucks...is this a good deal?

    Or another person is selling one HPS 1000 Watt bulb, the 1000 Watt ballast, and a bat wing for 80 bucks. The ballast has 1000 hours on it. Is this a better deal?

    I just wanted someone to help me so I can get a good grow started with my blueberry seeds...thank ya kindly.
     
  15. LSDMIKE

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    I would go for a sylvania 1000 or 600w lamp for the 18ha days,
    and a 1000 or 600w HPS for the 12.
    A HPS lamp can run any of the HID lamps in there watts.
    For the 12ha days i would have the sylvania and HPS in the grow room at the same time.
    But you can grow with any of the 2 but don't forget the liquid light!
     
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    if it's just for smoke the very best would be a Philips 400w or the 430w
    son t agro, with a hydro setup 1 or 2 plants, theres no need for CO2 but it would be best but not a must, also a liquid light spry can give you upto 30% more grow room!.. and in the last 5days i would add natures own final rinse.
     
  17. MadEyeMoody

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    I want to grow indoors and i want to put my plant next to the window and also use fluorescent lightning will this be of any good? and how much electricity does the hid system would spent for 1-2 plants to be grown over the winter
     
  18. Naturalhi

    Naturalhi Great hairy ape

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    We lived in an apartment complex once upon a time, long ago and faraway. And there was a dude who had a beautiful plant about 5' tall in his front window, just about harvest time a neighbor ratted him out and that's why I don't advocate window Pot:>D

    The flouro probly wouldn't help much but couldn't hurt, also a 200w HPS HID comfortably covers about 4-5 square ft. area; for 2-6 plants kept small say 3-4' tall at harvest. To get this height at harvest start the flower process when they're about 1.5' tall:>)
     
  19. MadEyeMoody

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    didn't got this im sory im total newbie can you peleashe explain the flower proces
     
  20. klondike_bar

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    if ordering your first HID lamp, id suggest a 400w bulb, 600w at most. the only way you will ever need more then 600w is if growing more then 6 BIG females. otherwise, its really just excessive amounts of light and heat that the plants will only slightly benefit off of
     

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