Chimp vetoes stem cell research bill

What a fucking idiot! 70% of americans support stem cell research but we have to follow a religious lying fratboy.

 

Do not feel bad, we in the 'liberal' Netherlands have a political party for pedophiles.

 

I knew this was comming.

Doesn't make it any better though. Bush is such an overwhelming prick. I hope Nancy Reagan slaps the hell out of him on TV.

 

I'm going to go troll the christian boards now...

 

I'm not a christian, but I don't support stem cell research or "the chimp"

 

Same here.

 

I like how the house can pass a bill protecting the words 'under god' from legal challenges, but they can't get enough votes to override a veto on some religous convictions from people who declare an embryo a person.

An embryo could not live outside of a host, it has no nervous system, and at this phase is no more a human then it is a reptile. Because something has the potential to become alive doesn't make it alive.

If this isn't changed soon, it will mean a large outsourcing of our scientific/medical research community to China.

 

I dont see the tree hugging hippies up in arms when someone eats an acorn, wanna know why? Because it isnt the same as cutting down a tree.

 

I wonder though, with this whole stem cell research thing...yes, they are making major advances in the medical community with the information they obtain from these "experiments", however, with these advances, this also means extended lives for those here, and you know what that means? Even more and more overpopulation, more depletion of our natural resources. I guess I'm looking more towards the picture in the long hull.

We keep messing with nature we're bound to get burned.

 

Survival is the most basic instict HippyChickMommy. Denying it would be messsing with nature.

There are more resources then we could ever use on earth if we research them wisely. Energy, food, lumber, everything. More then we'll ever need. We just have to use them in more technical and efficient ways to also protect the enviornment.

And increasing the length and quailty of human lives has absolutley nothing to contribute to overpopulation. Overpopulation happens when there aren't enough resources to support a population.

Wealthy nations which live long have very small population growth. The only reason the populations expanding so much in the US is because of large immigration.

And don't take this the wrong way, but fears of 'messing with nature' are no reason not to research how to treat burn and cancer victims to longer and healthier lives. You'd certainly be for messing with nature if one of your children needed antibiotics to treat a severe staph infection.

 

You have your opinions, and I have mine and we're both entitled to that. Obviously we don't agree but that's alright. I'm not trying to convince anyone of my personal beliefs or get them to see it my way, I'm simply stating how I personally feel about the situation, that's all.

I'm just not for stem cell research. Kill me, but I'm just not a fan.

 

being someone that almost went blind at 14 i feel that stem cell research is a great thing, if i had gone blind i would have loved it if they were able to 'make me new eyes' so to speak.
seeing the beauty in this world is something i treasure so much and at 14 i had hardly seen anything.
and if i ever go blind i would love it if they can in the future 'give me new eyes', personally i think stem cell research is a good thing, because it makes people's lives better, if someone needs a heart it would be lovely if they could recieve one without another person dying.
i don't think that stem cell research helps over population and the depletion of our resources, because it's not helping people live longer, just better.
although i must admit i am a ignorant, biased person on this subject.

 

No need to lash out.

 

House Fails to Override Stem Cell Veto
By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer

2 hours ago

WASHINGTON - President Bush rejected legislation Wednesday that could have multiplied the federal money going into embryonic stem cell research, using the first veto of his presidency to underscore his stand on the emotionally charged, life-and-death issue.

A few hours later, the House voted 235-193 to overturn Bush's veto, 51 short of the required two-thirds majority.

"This bill would support the taking of innocent human life in the hope of finding medical benefits for others," Bush said. "It crosses a moral boundary that our decent society needs to respect."

Most Americans disagree with the president, according to public opinion polls. A number of lawmakers expressed confidence the legislation would someday become law and some suggested Bush's stance could hurt Republicans in congressional elections this fall.

"Mr. President, we will not give up," said Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass. "We will continue this battle."

Bush made good on a promise he made in 2001 to limit federally funded embryonic research to the stem cell lines that had been created by the time.

Bush's first veto, 5 1/2 years into his presidency, came in the Oval Office without any ceremony _ though he then announced it surrounded by families with cheerful toddlers born from embryos. He added his signature to the bottom of a two-page message that was promptly hand-delivered to the House, where the legislation began.

"If we are to find the right ways to advance ethical medical research, we must also be willing when necessary to reject the wrong ways," his message said. "For that reason, I must veto this bill."

Bush has made 141 veto threats during his time in office, and the Republicans controlling Congress typically respond by changing bills to his liking. His single veto is a departure from the practices of other recent presidents _ Bill Clinton had 37, Bush's father had 44 and Ronald Reagan had 78.

Supporters of embryonic stem cell research have had powerfully moving proponents on their side, including the late "Superman" star Christopher Reeve and actor Michael J. Fox. Other proponents say the research could lead to cures for the diseases that threaten to kill them.

Bush tried to put a face on his position, too. Eighteen families who had adopted unused frozen embryos were in the East Room as Bush made his case in a 15-minute speech that came 40 minutes after the veto. On stage behind the president and in the audience were two dozen children, squirming in their Sunday best, born from those leftover embryos.

"These boys and girls are not spare parts," Bush said. "They remind us of what is lost when embryos are destroyed in the name of research."

Also in the crowd were four embryo donor families and four patients who have been aided by adult stem cells. Those cells are found in various tissues, including bone marrow. Bush supports research involving adult stem cells.

As he vetoed the bill, he signed another that was passed unanimously in both chambers that would ban "fetal farming," the prospect of raising and aborting fetuses for scientific research. "Human beings are not a raw material to be exploited, or a commodity to be bought or sold, and this bill will help ensure that we respect the fundamental ethical line," Bush said, drawing a shout of "Amen!" from one of the fathers on stage with him.

Bush said he was disappointed that Congress failed to pass a third bill that would encourage adult stem cell research. Opponents said it would have given lawmakers political cover for opposing the embryonic stem cell bill. But Bush said it would fund vital and ethical research, and he would direct his administration to pursue this kind of science.

Pleadings from celebrities, former first lady Nancy Reagan and some fellow Republicans had failed to move Bush. He acted after two days of often wrenching emotional debate in Congress, punctuated by stories of personal and family suffering, that had cast lawmakers into the intersection of politics, morality and science.

Some are predicting the veto could hurt GOP congressional candidates in close races this November. And the issue split the Republican senators who are thinking about running to replace Bush in the White House in 2008.

Sens. Sam Brownback of Kansas, Chuck Hagel of Nebraska and George Allen of Virginia sided with Bush in opposing the bill. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee and Sen. John McCain of Arizona voted for the increased federal funding.

"I am pro-life, but I disagree with the president's decision to veto the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act," said Frist, a heart surgeon. "Given the potential of this research and the limitations of the existing lines eligible for federally funded research, I think additional lines should be made available."

Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Colo., a co-sponsor of the House bill, submitted 11,000 signatures urging Bush to sign the measure and said of his veto: "He is doing that on the backs of tens of millions of Americans."

 

What a fucking rat bastard.

 

i agree with hippychick mommy about the overpopulation problem however i think stem cell research is great and there are alot of people who could benifit from it who arent dying from some genetic disease or what have you...but i also think if we were colonizing other places in our solarsystem we wouldnt have this fucking problem like was promised 40 years ago...but we pussied out for whatever reason...people are gonna reproduce there is no stopping it...

 

pseudoreligeous. and if only vetoing stem cell were the worst thing he's done.
although i still think it's rumsfield (and the randcorps illuminati) pulling his strings, but not that that gets him off to hook for actively promoting what the're having him sign and not sign.

you know i wonder if he's actualy a real living person or just some computer generated visual. that just occured to me.

although he does make public appearances. animatronics?

=^^=
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What about the baby that won't be here because you are using her/him for parts. It's not like adding parts to a GTO.

 

Then that baby will never be Bellfire. Neither will any egg that get's wasted during menstruation. Off which their are billions around the world every month.

The only difference is the egg becomes fertilized and begins to change for about a week.

Heres a picture of a embryo at a week.

 

Remeber the American people did not put this asshole in office. The Florida Sec. of State and a Republician nominated Supreme Court did.