Cheating

I think America needs to take a new perspective on education. Fuck bubbling in answers, everything should be a short or long written answer, and their should be a class called "sharing", and sharing class would teach you how to do what we used to call "cheating". The goal of this would be to bring the students minds together. Instead of putting them against each other, have them work together so that everyone learns a little more about the subject matter, or working with people than they would have otherwise.

 

Why don't we just teach kids that they don't have to work hard at anything?

 

It pretty much becomes cheating for many, after you leave college anyway.
Either that or they become donkeys of some variety.

PS in some countries, the educn system is pretty dubious anyway.

 

But if we had ACTUAL cheating in school, it would teach kids how to work together. Like how China has 31 person races and shit (like a 3 legged race, but 31 kids tied together)

 

Nonsense

 

Those are not your answers, they are the people's answers.

 

No. We did it in management games. One or two would do all the work. A dozen would talk quietly amongst themselves. About 8 would dick around. And another 4 or 5 wouldn't have a clue, but love the sound of their own voices, and do their best to have it done their way... disastrously.

Even working by a committee needs to be managed by a leader. Imagine racing a car round a track like this...

BTW Most Chinese are unskilled slaves. The ones that aren't are just freewheeling on Communist Party contacts... ie spending all their hours socialising or intimidating workers.

Your idea sounds hell on Earth for most things. Everyone should bring something to the table. Otherwise, you'll be eating shit.

 

Well Americans are unskilled bigots. So I really don't see how we can't benefit from communal education.

And even if just 2 people do the work, EVERYONE has to write out the answer. So even if they don't think about it, they are at least getting the answer subconsciously once. Which is way better than learning NOTHING, while you guess on bubbles that have no question OR answers necessary. Just random guessing.

 

If you needed emergency surgery, would you want 31 people all standing round the operating table, discussing how to do it. Most of those 31 not really giving a fuck, or ever likely to become capable?

PS couldn't give a fuck about America. I'm not American

 

Honestly, FUCK YES.

My little brother died like 2 months ago, and if there had been more doctors there, and more minds present. We would have been able to save him.

I was there 24 hours after it happened because I was doing research, then I told the doctor about research in Israel that was being done with coma and brain swelling patients. It then took him 24 hours to search the library he had available, to fin out that we could save him that way.

But then he didn't know where to get the supplies.

Brain swelling is the leading cause of death in stroke, coma and many other kinds of patients. But we figured out what to do about it, just too late. Because we didn't have 31 doctor oriented minds in the room.

 

Suuuure.

 

Sorry to hear about your brother.. : (

On your example, well obviously a number of *experts* is fine.

But in education, its different. You have some with a talent, some with a passion, some who just want to freeload off others. Thats why it won't work in school.

Imagine the operating theatre and you have 2 experts, 4 loudmouths, 8 chinwagging about "who's dating who", and 3 or 4 clowns just trying to have a laugh.

Sure, committees and groups have their place. But you can't have a car with 2 drivers. In education you would be dragging everyone down to the level of the lowest common denominator. Thats why you need classes acc to ability. Additionally, schools are terrible because they don't acknowledge how we all prefer to learn in different ways.

Sorry, your approach would be like sending school education into the dark ages. It would be torture for me and many others. I'd be strangling my classmates..

 

All that stuff is happening in the hallway and behind the desks anyways, if they were all friendly with working as a unit (since they were in elementary school), I definitely believe that they would be more effective.

 

In college I used to HATE (hate, hate, HATE!) having to take "group tests"... basically, every single time (mostly psych classes I'm thinking of), I would have studied, paid attention and taken notes, and would therefore know all the answers, and the people in my group did not... I would tell them all the answers and all of us in the group would get a 100%. Not fair. I couldn't stand that.

Now... labs in biology.. bring on the group stuff.
(I kid... I think the premise of this thread is stupid as all hell.)

 

So what happens when a decision needs to be made now and there is no time to discuss with 30 fucking people?

 

You have better things to worry about?

 

So it appears that the things holding this approach back have been identified to some extent and as such have solutions. Our problems don't teach us but the solutions do.
Prioritize our expenditures toward education.
Lend excellence where ever it is found to excellence.
Poor planning is the result of unfamiliarity with the terrain, again an education issue.
Problems with grades? Perhaps grading is the problem. I don't think it is necessary to adequately share our thoughts.

Are the problems below related to the approach above?

 

The group would have a system after 13+ years of working together I'm sure.

How are you guys not understanding that the whole point is being better at group dynamics.

 

The more people you have working on something the less gets done.