Charlottesville, Va Blut Und Boden

I think counter protests are fine, as long as they are not trying silence anyone, which is what anti-fa was explicitly trying to do

 

That's pretty sad.

 

One of the problems with youtube is that they manipulate what videos become available. As I mentioned earlier, raw video of BLM seizing the stage from Bernie Sanders in Portland was nearly impossible to find

 

Sadly, that convenience won't be around for us much longer now that Youtube is using algorithms to bury search results, demonetized "controversial" youtubers, partnered with the ADL to censor "offensive" content.

Youtube is going to be like Cable Television: controlling what they want us to see.


Google should change its name to Googlag

 

But Mel, what if that goes against what someone is determined to believe?!?

How can there be any doubt about "what happened"?! For a major thing - a Nazi ran his vehicle into a crowd of people and a woman was killed, others injured. Of course other things "happened"; but, that is/was the main thing, in my eyes. Beyond that, there was the Nazi (KKK imitation) march which stirred the pot considerably.

Are people actually saying the woman wasn't killed? Are they saying when he rammed his vehicle into that crowd...well, he didn't do that? Oh yeah - people are saying the tiki torches aren't imitating the KKK marching with their burning torches, ready to torch people, churches, etc....I KNOW the KKK does this, but then I'm from the south - unlike those who claim there is no KKK. At the risk of providing "anecdotal evidence" (gag a maggot) I DATED a KKK member. I absolutely know (unfortunately) what I'm talking about with that KKK bullshit.

As you said...if there is any doubt...there is youtube with unedited film, and if a person isn't scared to have their whole argument fall apart, they can watch that.

good grief

 

I dont have much to add but I absolutely agree


A woman was murdered..and yet the white supremacists were just there to respectfully exercise their right to freedom of speech. Okay sure.

Also the other day I stumbled upon screen shots from neo Nazi sites both before and after last weekend and they were anticipating violence prior...and celebrating that woman's death afterwards.

Freedom of speech does have limits, incitement to violence is a limit

 

I agree with your first sentence. But freedom of speech in America is to protect us from the government. The feds didn't prevent anyone from marching in Charlottesville. So let's stop pretending this is a "free speech" issue.

Antifa attacking white supremacists isn't a violation of free speech. If anything it's an example of it, because freedom to say what you want also incurs consequence. Just because someone wants to kick your ass for being a **** doesn't mean your 1st Amendment rights have been violated.

 

(again ran out of likes) If this wasn't so damn serious... Americans acting with total disregard for others that aren't "like" them (skin wise as well as ideologically), I'd probably laugh. But I can't....

These are scary times...and people seem to think themselves and others can literally do anything to "exercise their right to freedom of speech".

I find it most unfortunate and bizarre that the murder of this woman is continuously not being addressed. Actually it is worse than that (to me)...her murder seems to be getting brushed under the rug as if it was no big thing. I thought people made me ill before...I didn't have any idea things would get to this "much worse" level.

It makes me sick.

 

Bingo, Lynn. I addressed it a little earlier here before on another thread by sarcastically saying that statues, monuments, symbols, etc...are more important than value less human life.......we have learned.

 

Protection from the government is one of the virtues of free speech. However, there is absolutely no restriction of freedom of speech in the first amendment to protesting government, no is that the sole virtue of freedom of speech

If you physically attack someone because of what they say, it's very much a violation of 1st amendment rights

 

You're welcome to state your case

 

So, did you support Reagan's arming of the Taliban to fight the Soviets? Yeah that plan worked out great, didn't it?

 

Irrelevant. No one was protesting against government. If anything, these people felt empowered by the current administration.

The 1st Amendment doesn't even address battery by a private citizen, let alone protect anyone from it.

 

Historical hindsight is a helluva drug.

 

https://thinkprogress.org/clergy-in-charlottesville-e95752415c3e/

An account of the interfaith nonviolent resistance led by the clergy

I really feel like anyone who actually believes the narrative that the violence was started by antifa and that the white supremacists were just respectfully practicing their right to free speech should really read this

This article describes clergy being sprayed in the face with mace as they tried to exit the church Friday night, of being maced again and screamed at by neo Nazis on Saturday as they sat quietly and sang and prayed.

 

The Nazis in Germany used the same tactics in the 1930's. They went to places they knew they were not welcome ( Charolttesville is a very blue area) hoping to annoy people and get them to react. When they did it was a victory because they could claim they were being democratic and peaceful while others were not and it also got the party name into the media.

 

There are many different arguments that one could get into on this thread. I'm going to abandon this one for the sake of focus. I think a person reading earlier posts would see my point, so I'm just going to drop this unless you really want to debate this.

The direct causes for the increase in white mortality are known...suicide, poisonings (alcohol and opioids), and liver disease. The question is why that mortality rate is focused on primarily white men with a high school degree or less, and in certain regions, such as the South.

If you would like to posit economic struggles as the cause, you would have to explain why other racial groups experienced sharp declines in mortality at the same time as the white group experienced sharp increases. You'd also have to explain why down-turns in the economy were not correlated with increases in the mortality rate. These factors make economic issues untenable as the primary cause.

The areas where mortality rates are the highest actually correlate very well with Trump support, which also correlates well with social conservatism.

A new thread might be a good idea

 

This is just absurd. I'm not going to bother arguing these points.