Capitalism: What Class are you?

the pyramid

 

i love that pyramid

 

Yeah and the cool thing about capitalism is that its possible to start from the bottom and go to the top. I have seen many people do it, not through luck or the lottery, but through education, hard work, and intelligence. I don't believe in the marxist or freudian view of class structure. I don't think our money or our environment presupposes us to one class or another. I am willing to accept more of a darwinian or genetic view of class structure. Our inherited character traits and intelligence is more likely to determine our class.

 

Under a communist pyramid, it would be just two levels: the wealthy and powerful Elite, and everybody else (the peasants). This is where we are heading, so it looks like things are on the upside for all the communists out there. Congratulations!

 

im not even gonna get into the idealogical dispute here, but, 'everyone else (the peasents)'



man, surely you know that 'everyone else' arent all peasents

 

And I have seen many people who had those traits and failed.

Someone else is win, is someone else is lose. Everyone cannot win no matter how hard you work, it is just how capitalism works.

Economic mobility is very rare. African American will always dominate the lower class and whites will always dominate the upper class. Why? Because they are already there and because of historic reasons.

 

only 5% of the world's population are in the upper class.

 

we're working hard to get to that upper 10% at least. it's going well.

 

Yay middle class! We have equal opportunity to go both ways!

 

No matter what system you try for you are always going to have everyone else supporting the politicians and the military. Except for anarchy, when everyone is basically fucked (lookit somalia).
And capitalism is one of the few systems that actually does provide a chance for economic mobility, as well as a large middle class.
Of course capitalism is inheriently heartless and largely random (the price of wheat on one end of the world affects starvation at the other), so safety nets (welfare, public education, libraries) are needed in order allow people second chances, an ability to raise out of the class you were born in, and as close to an even start as you will be able to see.

 

Wow what a convient chart, great work Turn

Also quintiles are when the nation is divided into 5 groups along the income. So the bottom 20% aka lowest quintile makes the least money. The second quintile is people in the 20%-40% range, and so on

 

African American's will always dominate the lower class because of the exact mindset that you and others have. That they cannot increase social status. Do you know how easy it is for an African American with good grades to go to College....and pay for college. Education alone can bump one up to the middle class. Its about work ethic.

And that isn't how Capitalism works. Capitalism works because of supply and demand. If I provide a service that is in demand, then I make money. Just because I am "taking" anothers money doesn't mean that they are losing. In fact they are gaining a service that they have determined merits their money. The problems come when a service is essential to life, and lack of competition forces men and women to pay more money than the value of the service should be worth. I never said Capitalism is perfect, simply that upward mobility is very possible with hard work, especially in regard to education.

 

So in other words society is classless.

 

I have never said nor implied that. My argument is simply that it is possible to change class...and more so under capitalism than most other forms of government and class structure. Lets take feudalism for example. In this system it was near impossible to change class..but that does not mean it never happened. Just because it can or did happen doesn't mean that the class structures don't exist. The only form of classless government...or more appropriately economic structure, is socialism, a worthy idea, but unatainable...because it can only exist through government coercsion.

 

I'm lowerclass...I work third shift...Can't affoard a place around her because I only make.

630 *before taxes*

So insuracnce = 85
Cell Phone = 22
Gas = 50
Food 150

thats 307

That means my apartment woudl have to be 323$ and cover lights, water, maybe gas...

keep in mind gas and food are subjective to change at anytime

So I have no where to go but up!

 

and 7 an hr is good around here! Go small agrculture colloge towns!!!! I would be in colloge but I can start till August -_-

 

no worries, kris, i was making $15 an hour in SoCal in '94 and STILL couldn't afford to live on my own.

 

That's a good way to look at it.

 

i may be laying in the gutter, but i'm looking up at the stars, or somesuch quote....

 

Pumpkin, you're looking in the right direction, because,,,

Darwin exposses the nature of class structure.

Darwin observes that we are Primates, and that our class structure is a Primate behavioral pattern.

Darwin goes on to observe that survival and reproduction are the primary motives behind Primate behavioral patterns such as class structure.

Moreover, Darwin shows that, when the survival and reproduction of social Primates like ourselves is threatened, we react fearfully by bending to the will of the alpha-males as we seek the security and authority of a hierarchical class structure.

Genetically this is made easier because males are inheritably half female as they inherit neither xx nor a female's yy, but xy chromosomes.

Genetically every male has a latent submissive female within, and in fear-driven situations the latent female awakens within them.

Thus the hierarchical class structures of our Patriarchal Civilization such as we see in Capitalism are the natural expression of effeminate male hysteria.

Interestingly, in the hyper-competition of Primate hierarchical class structures, a Primate's most effective and most used strategy for survival and reproduction is deception.

Deception is purely psychological, and is generated within the Primate psyche at the hub of our consciousness called the Ego.

The more hierarchical and competitive a social structure becomes the greater the influence of the Primate Ego, and the greater and cognitively more imaginitive our deceptions become.

Unfortunately however, for any deception to be convincing, it must first be successfully self-deceptive.

This self-deception is why the Class-Structured Man is most often described by the single word "alienation".

Class-Structured Man is alienated from reality, and instead lives in the psychotic delusional realm of our Ego generated self-deceptions.

This ubiquitous and delusional state of collective psychosis will continue as long as the competive class-structure of our effeminate hysteria continues.