Can Jesus be God if he is not all knowing?

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  1. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    call no flesh god
    no god daemon
    and trust nothing that wishes to be feared.

    jesus was a good jewish boy,
    but he wasn't a god.

    gods are invisible friends,
    who do not require physical form
    to exist,
    even when no one imagines them.

    humans try to write books about gods
    mostly for very good reasons,
    but about gods themselves,
    we know nothing.
     
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  2. GreatestIam

    GreatestIam Member

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    My morals are demonstrably better.

    More than likely, so are yours.

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    DL
     
  3. GreatestIam

    GreatestIam Member

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    Who would know better?

    The reason we still use the term God is tradition and you might want to remember that in ancient times, that word did not really mean supernatural as such a realm and entity could not5 even be said to exist.

    What is God?

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    DL
     
  4. GreatestIam

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    Semantics.

    You still have and use words to replace those that are synonyms.

    If you get home and you child is being raped, what word would you use to describe that situation?

    Likely a synonym of evil, but show us what you would use as a descriptor.

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  5. GreatestIam

    GreatestIam Member

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    I agree.

    And it is.

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    DL
     
  6. Running Horse

    Running Horse A Buddha in hiding from himself

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    I would use no word for it simply is
     
  7. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    Yeah, think you need to do more homework.

    Holy Spirit was Christianitys way of writing women out of the equation? Really....thats it?
     
  8. GreatestIam

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    Yes, given the they bastardized the original that included a woman.

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    DL
     
  9. GreatestIam

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    You have to use a word if you want to convey something.

    Thanks for showing how your double down to idiocy instead of just recanting it.

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    DL
     
  10. Vanilla Gorilla

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    This is what I mean

    "they" bastardized "the" original....only one original? and who are they?

    "Prophecies", storys of the Jewsish Messiah started 600 years before Christ when some jews were exiled in Babylon...including getting visited by three kings/
    wise men

    Jubilees scrolls version of genesis: everyone fucks their sister for like 7 generations after Cain...probably the real reason women hence lineage were written out of texts....plus a good ole dose of male ego of course


    you had the prophecy going on for at least 600 years, then the Jews were under Roman Occupation, they needed a hero, so then it was the guy at the time that best fit the prophecy

    Talk of a Trinity didnt even start until 100-300 years after christ. Muslims and Jews dont believe in the Trinity, becuase it doesnt make any sense (not that any theism does ;) ) If god is all knowing, what do you need the other two parts for?
     
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  11. Running Horse

    Running Horse A Buddha in hiding from himself

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    Is that so?
     
  12. GreatestIam

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    We are not far in terms of knowing the history.

    And yes, if there is to be a monotheistic God within Christianity, it must be one entity and not 3.

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    DL
     
  13. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Aren't you a Christian? And a Gnostic one at that? Do you believe that Jesus was only one mortal man? Didn't Gnostics believe that Jesus' was an Aeon whose physical body was an illusion, or that he was a man who became possessed by the Logos which enabled him to work great miracles but which abandoned him on the cross (how cruel is that?)
     
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  14. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    How many gods do you believe in? Are Aeons and Archons gods? Are they supernatural? Do you believe in them? Do you believe in this? How is this superior to that silly Christian Trinity? How do you think those atheists you link to attack mainstream Christianity would react to this?

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  15. Okiefreak

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    So have you been demonstrating that in your posts? Do you consider it moral to deny the morality of others whom you don't know and to call them names, with no factual basis? Jesus said you can tell a false prophet by his bitter fruits. Yours have the flavor of crabapples.
     
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  16. Okiefreak

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    How uncharitable. Are all Gnostics like that? Nasty Gnostics?
     
  17. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    You've presented the Gospel of Thomas to us as a source you agree with. Most of your quotes from Gnostic writings about Gnostic beliefs are from that source. From the Gospel of Thomas, 114:

    "Simon Peter said to them: 'Let Mary go away from us, for women are not worthy of life.'
    Jesus said: 'Look, I will draw her in so as to make her male, so that she too may become a living male spirit, similar to you.'
    (But I say to you): 'Every woman who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven.'

    Doesn't that strike you as misogynistic? And haven't you been telling us it's the mainstream Christians who are guilty of that while you Gnostics are superior? Isn't that hypocritical of you, when your gospel is misogynistic as all get out. Will you renounce that evil book that you quote from, or be forever branded as an immoral hypocritical MCP?
     
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  18. Okiefreak

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    Were Alan Watts and Joseph Campbell Gnostics? Why don't you share with us Gnostic writings? What Gnostic thinkers best articulate the truths of your faith?

    Tell us, o great enlightened one, what is the meaning of these profound words from Gnostic writings?

    Thomas,7: "Jesus said: Blessed is the lion which the man shall eat, and the lion become man; and cursed is the man whom the lion shall eat, and the lion become man." Say, what?

    Thoms, 22; "Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside as the outside, and the outside as the inside, and the upper side as the lower; and when you make the male and the female into a single one, that the male be not male and the female female; when you make eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then shall you enter [the kingdom]." Sounds sensible, eh?.

    Gospel of Philip,James M. Robinson, editor, The Nag Hammadi Library, p. 146). "God is a dyer. As the good dyes, which are called 'true,' dissolve with the things dyed in them, so it is with those whom God has dyed. Since his dyes are immortal, they become immortal by means of his colors. Now God dips what he dips in water."

    Gospel of the Egyptians III, 2 and IV, 2: "Domedon Doxomedon came forth, the aeon of the aeons…..iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu eee eeeeeeeeeee aaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa oooooooooooo ooooooooooo." (The Nag Hammadi Library, p. 210).
     
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