Calling all hippies.

Do your support our troops in Iraq? If no, please explain. If yes, please explain. Do you support our government with sending us to Iraq.

PFC Adams~ USMC 282nd Infantry Division

 

Yes, I support our troops in that I think that they are brave and committed people. I do not support our government in sending said troops to Iraq because I believe that it is an unjust and unjustified war that is senselessly killing many Iraqis and American troops. So, I support our troops in that I want them home and safe.

 

anyone who enlists is a moron. but i still feel bad for them, and hope that they make it home safely. anyone who supports a war started due to a single lie told to the world by the united states weasel, i mean president, is also dumb. the whole reason we were going into iraq was because of weapons of mass destruction. well, they have none. so why did we go?

 

I support the troops but my support for this war is fading fast. I was against the war in Iraq from the beginning as we had no U.N. support, but once it was underway I decided we needed to stay until conditions were stabilized. But now I wonder if the only way Iraq can achieve stability is under a dictator like Saddam Hussein.

Two hundred people have died in the last 3 days from car bombings, mostly aimed at Shiite Muslims, against whom Al-Qaeda has declared war. They're even setting off car bombs at Shiite Mosques during worship services! Imagine if in this country Baptist suicide bombers were blowing up Lutheran churches during Sunday services!

Maybe I'm ranting but it seems to me there are too many fanatics in the Middle East with no tolerance for anyone whose beliefs or heritage vary in the least from their own. Death to America, death to non-Muslims, death to Kurds, death to Shiites, death to anyone who isn't a fundamentalist Sunni Muslim. All in the name of God, or Allah if you prefer. I wonder if rule under an iron fist is the only way to keep order there.

 

As an old broken down 91 Bravo I think we are in another long-term insurgent type of war. I come from a long time military family. I support any man or woman who serves our country. However, as a citizen (who has paid my dues) I do not agree with this administration. Iraq is the wrong war - with the wrong enemy - for the wrong reason.



Having said all that - You have my greatest respect - Good luck and watch your six
PS How did a jarhead get hooked up with an army outfit and what is the 282 Infantry Division. I cannot find it in the OOB.

 

Before I answer your question let me ask you one. Do you support torture ?

 

If I could chose between saving a soldiers life or fueling my car......
the soldier would win hands down.
War as simplicity.

 

Do I support the troops? Of course. Do I support this fucking government for putting them in the shit? NO.

 

I don't support the war. I don't support what the troops are doing, but I love those brave men and women and am sorry to see them in the position they are in.

 

I don't believe blood should be shed to fuel SUV's. I am grieved to see our brave troops fighting a war that was an egotist's mistake.

 

i think the troops are brave for goin over there , stupid though for anyone to enlist, cause are goverment and everyone is lyin to us and they suck , we shouldnt even be over there fighting anymore , and this wouldnt of all started if it wasnt for are stupid president!!

 

Yes I support our troops. How can you not, they are putting their life on the line for their country to protect us. I don't support however the government forcing them to go through all this shit. They are killing innocent people. I agree with mimosa that the war was a mistake.

 

Man, talk about a loaded question. Honestly, the point is moot. In my great-grandfater's war, my grandfather's war, my father's war, and in my war as well, men boarded the train (in my case a plane) in their home towns ready to fight and die for god and country. We had been attacked (well, except in my war) by a sovereign government, or at the very least by a well organized group of hairy, dirty, crazed muslims, and we wanted to do "what was right" and even the score. That one must fight when attacked blatantly; (as in hairy, dirty, crazed muslims hijacked a bunch of "heavy" American owned and run aircraft--all with full fuel for regularly scheduled transcontinental flight--and used them as guided missles, killing some 3000 innocent civilians in the process), is simply a factual aspect of life. Those who truly believe we should "turn the other cheek" as a proper response to such agressive acts should get out in the real world more often.

If you truly believe this with your soul and are mature enough to grasp the conceptual realities of that response, including the far greater likelihood of further violence being visited upon you, you are truly a person of great character. In essence, you operate on a plane that is entirely foreign to me, thus I feel unworthy of passing judgement on such people of concious. If you are under age 50 and you are of the "turn the cheek" persuasion with regard to muslims extremists being deleted in Iraq, you're too young to have an opinion. At least one worth listening to.

The crux of the biscuit, as opined by this admittedly proud Geriatric pothead, is simply this: Bush had every reason to send troops to Afghanistan. The history of east/west tension in Afghanistan is long and storied. Suffice it to say, the Brit who drew the lines on paper, delineating between Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, and all those other damned 'stans, should have actually VISITED the border regions prior to seperating them willy-nilly. He should have asked someone, "Yo, man, 'zackly how fer is it from ole' Eugene Ledbetter Prabuddahbaba's crib to his cousin Otis Inbred Prabuddahbaba's pad"? Perhaps then, the sons and daughters of Afghanistan (and all surrounding countries) wouldn't have awakened on that beautiful morning in the late 40's, after WW2, to find they now lived in an entirely different, but completely and seperately autonomous, nation than that in which they went to sleep. Any number of close relatives (parents and siblings mind you, not third cousins) may now be so dangerous to visit as to render them relatives of the "long" and "gone" type. This is merely one of a myriad of problems that have plagued this region for many decades; albeit one from which many of the other problems can be directly traced. This is merely a single obstacle, among many, which must be overcome. The indigenous peoples of the area are highly distrustful, and rightfully so in my humble opinion, of white folks. Hey, face it, whitey has screwed them over, too. (by "white" I mean anyone who ever had any power in history) And while I am white, I am a proud member of the largest specific demographic within the white population worldwide; the "Poor White Trash", as we are known colloquially.

However, despite the problems visited on the aboriginal peoples of the region entirely by countries with populations that were predominantly white, they also invited us to come to their "hometown" when they allowed an army to train specifically in the deletion of "non-muslims", primarily Americans. That any logical human, who held political sway on a national level, would allow an army of subversive religious zealots to plan a war against almost 2/3 of the world to operate in his sphere of control. Hell, even Hitler killed that Rohne feller, after a very short time. So, there is really no intelligent argument against troops going into Afghanistan.

Now, Iraq is a different story. Support the troops? Obviously. Goes without saying, I too am an honorably discharged veteran of the "all volunteer" Navy, so.... Granted I was only 17 and had been caught in a field with a loaded DC-3 and its pilot, and sentenced to jail twice previously, but still I credit my military service with my life's salvation. It was my "greatest" moment (by far), and I was able to thrive in that hectic and dangerous atmosphere. It should be obvious, from my own past experiences, that I do, indeed, support all the grunts, everywhere. And, I firmly believe (unlike most of America) that Bush did NOT go into Iraq for oil. They ain't got enough, we should invade Saudi Arabia for that (I'm ready to vote for the candidate that runs on the "Invade Saudi" platform!!). No, Bush went into Iraq for a more discreet source of endless monies--military contracts. Him and his rich white pals never planned on making money from oil...people, they ain't that intelligent? Nope, they wanted to make money the old fashioned way; They wanted to make shit for nothing and sell it to (essentially us) the military for a gazillion and a half bucks per copy. So we all agree, that guy (Bush) has an IQ lower than my shoe size and is as honest as....as honest as......oh yeah, as honest as an american president!!!

Now, why I think we should stay in Iraq and kill crazy nutz sneaking across the border from Syria. Firstly, nobody smuggles drugs into Iraq....oh shit, wait a minute..we got troops there don't we? Of course. I'm right, Nobody smuggles drugs into Iraq. They are brought in via official military vehicles. Anyone with a pal in Afghanistan can get hash in Iraq, and soldiers in Iraq have lotsa pals in Afghanistan. Smart soldiers. American soldiers!!! We all know American soldiers always get their stash delivered. (If I had a nickel for every joint of Thai pot I had ever smoked that had been brought onboard an aircraft carrier via an F-14 trapping it onboard, I'd have at least 6 or 7 bucks!!!) So, no rational reason to be sneaking outta Syria into Iraq except killing white guys, correct? Yes, I am painfully aware the Iraqi people are being killed by warring parties from both sides in great numbers. No matter who eventually shoots innocent civilians, soldiers from America or a nutty muslim from Mindanao, the Iraqi is gonna die at the hands of a foreigner. This is not fair, in the least, nor is it right or moral or alot of other things. Unfortunately, war is not fair nor right nor moral nor alot of other things either. The only defense I can use for that argument is the one I have told several youngsters from the Netherlands, "Are you so distraught that you are willing to have us meet them in Holland?" Even the youngest saw the wisdom of not killing civilians in his neighborhood. War is unfair, in every aspect. That's why they call it war. Yes, the president is a crook. Yes, when we first arrived it was ludicrious in the extreme to claim it was a "response to the attack on WTC". No dictator, in his right mind (pun intended), allows an entity such as a privately run army to exist, when led by men outside his sphere of total influence, in his presence. So, bin laden had no connection to Iraq anywhere near worthy of a military response. In my semi-learned opinion, the connection didn't exist on any level, it was purely a deception (altho not a very good one) carried out on behalf of rich men. Still the fact remains, those fanciful stories they made up out of thin air to justify the huge expenditure of monies have actually come true!!! It is a real fairy tale. Whod'a thunk it?

To complete the circle, and to connect with every man who has ever been in harms way as a soldier of his nation, I'd like to relate what I was taught as a young boy by those ancestors mentioned above who fought before me; and ultimately learned in a far more personal way than I would have liked myself. Wars are fought by men who departed home full of pride...beyond the point of hubris; and ultimately by men who never shot a gun in defense of his "countrymen", but rather in defense of his friend, laying in the mud beside him. Home, apple pie, women, none of that comes to mind. The only goal to the soldier is to keep the killing to an absolute minimum. Yes, on both sides, eventually.

(Any of you old soldiers ever hear the addage about the same mud being used for all wars since time began? An old Gunny told me the story when we were in Asia. The simply keep this special "warmud" on huge ships that float out at sea until it is needed, then someone-nobody knows who exactly-brings it into the sphere of combat. It quickly turns to a thick muck that is impossible to move in, will keep your boots when you pick your feet up, and holds the blood of every soldier to die on a battlefield since the first two cavemen got into it over the divorced lady in the condo-cave upstairs from them. I always enjoyed that story.)

 

Basically, yes to the soldiers no to the war.

And enlisting isn't stupid - most enlist to protect and defend, not referee somewhere else for no purpose whatsoever.

 

BTDT - as it says in Copperhead Road - Joined the army on my birthday - they draft the white trash first round here anyway



Men (and women) die only for their comrades - thus it has always been



Saudi Arabia has to go



You be perty smurt for a squid

Medic US Army

 

I'm really glad you feel saving me 25 cents a litre at the pump is worth dying for.

 

i would never support war, i would support deffence however, & face it, this war is all because or government failed miseravly to deffend itself the government did nothing, knowing the planes were on theyre way to targets & bush sat there reading childrens books, it took the brave civialians on 1 of the flights to protect bush from getting his house he stole from getting blown to hell

heres the facts, asama attacked us why? retaliation for our first attack on irag.. what do we do? blow up 1/2 the arab world & take down theyre admittedly messed up governments, but we go in with a massive show of force, accomplishing very little except to pisss them off even more, breeding 100 more eterrorists for every 1 we catch
the war on terror creates more terrorists every day
i support the troops in comming home safely..i support the troops who refuse to go..but i will never evr support the bush crime family in sending kids off to kill & die
& i will never support any actons that cause th innocent to die just because the governments of the world cant get along like stupid children bullying eachother for lunch money

 

enlisting is suicide... i mean join iff you want to murder and then face immediate justice in the face of umm death..
i am totally opposed to the murder of innocent people.. and come to think of it the murder of guilty people.. unless they really deserve it..
the soldiers shouldnt be there dying like that.
the people of the country shouldnt be dying like that.

any governments should really worry about the care of their own country before interfering with others. i know ours has a lot to do here and should fix that first..

 

Dear PFC Adams

You have posed a very good question that is not easy to answer.

I do not support my government in this illegal war. Our president (note the disrespectful lower case) lied both to Congress and the United Nations to justify an action that not only has placed American lives in jeopardy but also has further destabilized the Middle East. The seeds of extremism have been planted and are taking root- they should be bearing fruit in 10-15 years as a generation grows up with a justified hatred of our country. It sickens me that so many voters have the wool so firmly over their eyes that they believe that Bush is justified in what he's doing

As for the troops- I do not support what they are doing. They need to be brought home-- NOW. I understand that they believe they are just doing their jobs- following orders. The problem is their actions are aiding and abetting a lie and could be construed by some as commiting war crimes. It bears repeating that they need to come home- at once.

I do understand that as long as they are over there they need to believe in what they are doing. They need not to question the reasons that they are in Iraq until they are brought back. The crime that our country continues to commit must stop at once.

Of course as of now, around 1,950 won't be back alive. Ultimately it's up to the people to decide what is an acceptable casualty total.

 

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