Bush/Kerry and the draft?

What is your personal belief when it comes to the likelihood of a draft being enacted, by Bush or by Kerry? I know most would like to believe that if Bush is re-elected then (war monger that he is ) there will almost certainly be a draft. But I have heard from a couple sources that Kerry's election will almost guarantee a draft. Also at the end of the pres. debates, Bush said the military will remain volunteer-only. What do you think about this?

 

Bush has said he doesn't want to realy increase the amount of soldiers in the military, he wants more spending and always refuses the idea of any draft.
Kerry wants to add at least 40,000 regular soldiers to the army without increasing the budget for defense.(cheap conscripts?....)
And the 2 bills that were in congress that supported the idea of a new national draft were proposed by democrats who are veterans.

 

I hate to say it, but the draft is coming back in 2005, regardless of who wins the election.

Both candidates have said they won't reinstate the draft. They're lying.

It will continuously be denied until sometime after elections, then we'll likely be attacked again, and this will be their excuse the bring back the draft.

The draft boards are being filled as we speak.

In 2001 there was a bill signed between the US and Canada, titled the Smart Borders Declaration (SBD) which serves to keep U.S. citizens in the U.S. with “pre-clearance agreements,” “advance passenger notifications,” shared databases, and an agreement from Canada to extradite Selective Service scofflaws.

Also, in this draft there will be no deferments, and women will be drafted as well. The drafting age will likely also be upped to age 35.

For anyone with questions regarding the draft, I highly urge you to check out this article:

WILL THE U.S. RE-OPEN THE DRAFT?:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/022704_draft_goff.html

The draft being reinstated is really only a matter of simple math. We are running on the bare minimum right now. As sure as the sun will set, the National Draft will return next year -- MARK MY WORD!

 

No, one was by Chuck Rangle (D-NY), and other other was by Chuck Hagel (R-NE)

 

I don't think it matters who wins out of Bush and Kerry.... but I'm starting to believe that its more likely to be reinstated with Kerry in office. He wants hundreds of thousands of more troops in the Middle East, and there just isn't enough active duty and reservists (last time I seen the numbers...some government website) to be stationed in America and get deployed to the Middle East.

 

Kerry wants to increase troop size by 40,000, which is nearly impossible without a draft. And it's highly unlikely that we will receive 40,000 allied troops, even if Kerry is elected. It's unlikely we would see even a quarter of that number.

Kerry has still not said how we will be able to obtain these 40,000 troops.

http://www.benfrank.net/nuke/dk/kerry_on_the_draft.html

Bush wants to increase troop size by 30,000, which is also impossible as things currently stand.

 

I predict: If Bush is elected, I'd say at least 99% odds of a draft by Dec 31, it will be a large one, and primarily affect those who turned 20 during this year; it will stretch into next year at the very least and affect also those who turn 20 in 2005, and will not end for at least a half-century.

If Kerry's elected, I'd say a near-zero chance of a draft before the end of the year, and probably an 80% chance of a draft by the end of 2005, mainly affecting those who turn 20 in 2005.

/I can guess too.

 

Damn I was off....I added extra zeroes to both of those numbers.

 

Well shit...looks like I better get ready for the soapbar beatings and gore.

 

People, there is not gonna be a draft, no congress would ever pass a law calling for 1 unless WW3 broke out, even politicain that did try to pass it could kiss their career good-bye.

 

Well, can I laugh at you once the draft is brought back?

You are very uninformed, which isn't surprising considering your admiration for George Bush.

 

Can I laugh at you for how paranoid you are?

 

no congress would ever pass a law calling for 1 unless WW3 broke out

Call me paranoid, but with a lame-duck George W. Bush as president-- a man who by his own admission reads no material of any sort not given to him by his staff-- we're going to have worse than just another typical world war on our hands by the end of the year.

 

That'd be a serious pain in the ass if they tried to draft people into the Army, what would happen if you refused?? How much jail time would you be looking at?? If it was under a year it'd be worth it.

 

Actually fuck that even if it was over a year I'd still take the jail time. Better than getting killed in an attempt to stabilise oil prices. If I was gonne die for a cause I'd want it to be a better one than that.

 

This isn't about being paranoid, my friend. It's about being informed and looking deeper than what you see and hear on the 6:00 news every night. You're not going to hear about this shit in the mainstream media. You're certainly not going to hear about it from George Bush or John Kerry.

Simple question: How much reading have you done on this issue?

I can tell you that I have done fairly extensive research on this issue, and I continue to research it. Perhaps if you became a little more informed, you too would have a reason to be "paranoid".

Do you have ANY proof that refutes the overwhelming evidence that shows the draft will be brought back in 2005?

If the draft isn't coming back, why are the draft boards being filled as we speak?

Why is the military initiating "Stop-Loss," extending troops' tours of duty -- an illegal action.

Why are retired military personnel being called up to serve?

How are we going to increase our troops in Iraq -- as both candidates have proposed -- when the reserves are depleted? Enlistments are way down, and people are not re-enlisting. You cannot fight a war with an inadequate number of troops.

And what do you think would happen if some big crisis arose all of a sudden somewhere else in the world? How would this be handled without any troops, because they're all tied up in Iraq?

Can you answer any of these questions?

 

Actually stop loss isn't illegal.. when one signs on the dotted line your ass belongs to the military and they can do whatever they wish with you until your time is up. The same could be said about the guarenteed job too.. you sign up to be a dental tech and the army makes you part of a tank crew ... the needs of the army come first and they need you to be a tank crew memeber.

That time isn't up after your four years enlistment either... you are placed in the "inactive reserve" for a couple of years after the enlistment. During that time you are subject to recall to active duty. Also, if you ever served in the military, you "could" be called up for active duty, even if you did your 20 .. you could be recalled to active duty.

Will there be a draft, maybe yes, maybe no. Would it be political suicide, depend on how the reinstitution is worded and the why it was. If we (USA) keep sending troops all around the world trying to "police the world" then the troops will be stretched to the limit and enlistments/re-enlistments might fall and a president woouldn't be any other choice but institute a draft to keep numbers up to cover the deployments.

"HOWEVER, if the economy tanks then the military is a haven to keep the bills paid, and a way to pay for school." This is the way things have been for the last several decades.. bad economy higher enlistments, good economy lower enlistments.

 

It wouldn't be political suicide for Bush, he doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected. If he wins, these next 4 years we'll experience the America that Bush dreams about. scary thought....

 

Note that more than one-third of those being ordered to return to duty have refused to return. A guy who is an honorary graduate of the US Military Academy at West Point, and who has commanded troops on the ground in Iraq, now is actively teaching draft evasion. If Bush wins, I'd actually favor a military coup, and I'm not even joking. There's simply no chance that any military leader could screw up as dramatically as Bush has.

 

People forget that there is a congress.