Brexit anybody?

Do the EU need us or do we need the EU?

Well it would seem the answer is that the UK needs the EU more than they need us

I mean as pointed out many times NO leaver has been able to actually say in any rational or reasonable way how leaving actually benefits the UK.

All the rational analysis points to ALL types of Brexit causing a negative effect and all we seem to get from leavers is wishfully thinking based on wishes.

Take the Boris deal for example - forecasts published by his own government last year showed that an agreement similar to Johnson’s settlement, which envisions striking a limited free trade deal with the EU, would strip 6.7 per cent from the UK’s expected path of GDP growth between now and 2034.

 

I mean even a hard Brexit would have much less impact on the EU.

A study has been made on what the consequences of a hard Brexit would likely have on each EU countries GDP.

The country that loses the most in terms of GDP, around 1%, is Ireland. This is expected given its geographic proximity, common language and historical ties with the UK. The second largest decline in GDP from a no-deal Brexit is observed for Cyprus, at around 0.2% of its GDP. This result is surprising to some extent given the distance of Cyprus from the UK. But it could be explained by common institutions (Cyprus was a colony of the UK until 1960) as well as the close historical and business ties between the two islands.

After Ireland and Cyprus, the vast majority of EU countries will face a decline of their GDP from 0.18% (Spain) to just below 0.1% (Croatia). And the last group of EU countries, from Central and Eastern Europe, will have among the lowest decline in GDP. Hungary with 0.08% and Austria with 0.03% of GDP.

It is interesting to note that the four biggest EU27 countries will face a small drop in their GDP in the case of a No Deal Brexit scenario. Germany faces a 0.16% drop; France, 0.17%; Italy, 0.14%, and Spain, 0.18%.

Hence, the overall effect on the EU27 will be a fairly small decline in their combined GDP – a weighted average of 0.17%.

In comparison, we find that a no-deal Brexit will reduce the UK’s GDP by a staggering 5.8% of GDP.

These results can easily be understood when we consider the fact that each individual EU country trades much more with the rest of the EU as a whole than just the UK.

Agelos Delis - Lecturer in Economics, Aston University

Karen Jackson -Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of Westminster

Oleksandr Shepotylo - Lecturer in Economics, Aston University

 

The extension has been granted to the 31st January according the BBC News .

 

FUCK.

 

Not a surprise.. they cant do it.. idiots every one of them!

 

And yet another economic indicator showing how this scumbag 'nasty party' have blown £billions of public monies in trying to prop up their failing policies !!!

Economic figures to be published next week will strike blow to government ahead of election

 

I totally agree with your sentiments Vanilla.
But below is a very good read!
And the video is a ruddy good look!



Let’s compare it to what we thought we would get when we voted Leave. If it is passed into law, the PM’s Treaty will mean:
Britain remains under EU rules but with no vote, no voice, no veto.

During the Withdrawal Agreement’s extendable ‘transition period’ (which lasts until at least the end of 2020 and almost certainly years longer), we won’t withdraw from the EU at all but become non-voting members. We will still be trapped in the EU customs union and single market, subject to all existing EU laws and any punitive new ones they might pass (Articles 4.1, 4.2, 6, 41, 95.1, 127). And we’ll be under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice (ECJ) (Arts 4.4, 4.5, 86, 87, 89, 95.3, 131, 158, 163). The difference is we won’t have any say (Arts 7.1, 34). Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?
EU judges can still override our laws.

The ECJ – a foreign court – governs the Treaty and EU law takes precedence. Future British parliaments will be bound to obey ECJ rulings, and UK judges will be obliged to overturn laws passed by our Parliament if the ECJ says they don’t comply with the Treaty or the EU laws it enables. (Articles 4.4, 4.5, 86, 87, 89, 95.3, 131, 158, 163). In some cases, the ECJ will rule for years even after the transition ends. Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?



We won’t control our fishing.

The dreadful Common Fisheries Policy continues in UK waters during the extendable transition period, but we will have no say in it (Article 130). That means huge foreign trawlers plundering our waters at the expense of our coastal communities. After the transition, the Political Declaration signs us up to sharing ‘access to water and quota shares’ (para 73) – which equals continued EU exploitation of UK fishing grounds. Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?
We still won’t be free to trade as we see fit.

Boris boasts of leaving the EU customs union. Yet the Political Declaration states any future free trade agreement with the EU must ensure ‘a level playing field’ (PD, para 17, 77) and ‘deep regulatory and customs cooperation’ (para 21). This means sticking to EU rules. It will be hard for the UK to reduce tariff barriers to cut the cost of living and make trade deals with other nations. The PD also requires we pursue ‘ambitious customs objectives that are in line with the Parties’ objectives and principles’ (para 22) – another restrictive EU customs union in all but name. Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?
We won’t have control of our tax or state aid policies .

EU law applies to the UK during the transition period (Article 127), and beyond that the Political Declaration obliges the UK to adopt EU rules on state aid rules and ‘relevant tax matters’ (para 77). This all means we can’t change tax rates to be more competitive and can’t assist a strategic industry such as British Steel. Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?
Britain can’t pursue an independent foreign policy.

The Treaty restricts UK sovereignty by preventing us taking ‘any action likely to conflict with or impede’ EU foreign policy (Article 129.6) – despite having no say in policy making. The UK will be signed up to all EU treaties, including new ones, throughout the transition period, and must ‘refrain… from any action... which is likely to be prejudicial’ to EU interests within international organisations such as the United Nations Security Council and the WTO (Article 129 points 1 and 3). Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?
Britain can’t pursue an independent defence policy.

The Political Declaration commits us to security integration through the European Defence Agency and the European Defence Fund (para 102(c)). We will fund the EU’s military plans during the transition period at least, and British troops in EU battlegroups will be under foreign command (Articles 128.2, 129.7, 156, 157). Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?



The United Kingdom will be divided.

The Treaty creates a de facto customs and regulatory border in the Irish Sea between Northern Ireland and Britain. Goods moving between NI and Britain will be checked. Citizens living in NI would effectively be staying in the EU, without any say in their laws, for at least four years after the transition and quite possibly forever. In other words, the UK gives up part of its sovereign territory —for what? (Protocol Articles 5 and 6.2). Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?
We pay the EU billions and get nothing in return.
The Treaty commits us to pay a sum to be decided by the EU (WA, Part Five). The £39bn payment demanded is likely to be just the start, with billions more to follow. Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?

And we’ll be trapped by the Political Declaration.

The problems won't end with the transition period. Don’t be fooled just because the Political Declaration on future relations is not legally binding. Article 184 of the Withdrawal Agreement requires us to use ‘best endeavours, in good faith’ to negotiate a future deal in line with the PD. Any breach of this duty will see the EU haul Britain before an arbitration panel – half EU appointees, half pro-EU judges from the UK. And the panel must defer to the European court on anything concerning EU Law. If they rule that a UK law goes against the Political Declaration, UK courts will have to overturn that law (WD Articles 170-175). The Political Declaration is a trap from which there is no plausible escape. Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?

 

Talking a load of bollocks as per usual !!!

 

Thank you Boozercruiser. That is a great analogy of the situation. Don't believe anything the Russian says.

 

The price of Brexit so far ???

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/11/03/uk-economy-predicted-to-slow-more-than-expected-next-year/

 

This says it all - requires no further comment from me !!!

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/11/...-slashed-on-boris-johnsona-s-brexit-deal-and/

 

Johnson blows his Brexit deal !!!

In a speech to Northern Ireland he says the N.I. people have a 'good deal' by having access to the Single Market and Customs Union.

If the people of Northern Ireland have such a 'good deal' by remaining in the EU, then why the hell are the rest of the UK leaving ???


https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/11/...after-praising-northern-irelanda-s-single-ma/

 

LOL good question

 

To me Brexit sounds like a shithouse deal.
It has the rest of the UK leaving because they know it's so crap.

 

So we had the Brexit Party and Farage screaming about the Conservative party betrayal over Brexit and that Boris deal was NOT Brexit and would never be accepted by them

But that was last week - this week it a fine deal that they can happily accept and get behind

Leavers do you ever feel you are just been played?

 

Did they mention which year ???

 

Looks like the Labour Party went from being the working class party, to the woking class party.

 

Bit like you lol

 

That’s a cracker 6.
Yes would you believe it?
It was the Woking and Working Man who stuffed the useless Labour Party for Christmas right up the arse using a great big meat hook!
Christ.
I doubt they will ever recover from that.
The Useless assholes!

PS.
Let’s Get Brexit Done!