it's things like what happened the other week that BNP live for and latch onto. where our troops were marching a homecoming parade and a group of radical muslims with there with there placards giving it the old 'you murdering rapists' etc. which I am many other people, especially i suspect those with military connections like myself found utterly appaulling. our lads and lasses are just going out and doing a job they are told to do, my hubby is certainly niether of those two things and never will be. so i actually find it pretty easy to see why more people are voting for BNP. i'm not saying i agree with them, as the majority of muslims, or any other ethnicity that live in this country are probably peaceful, genuine people going about there buisness with no harm to anyone, but there are some that are a bit curly wurly cuckoo and unfortunatly give others a bad name, as a lot of people can't distinguish and tar everyone with the same brush because of the actions of a few. it's a shame but that's how it goes, and the BNP are masters at manipulating the tensions that are already there. just as a side note, UK is turning into UK politics forum. :tongue:
We dont run a country, but if we did, itd probably be the best country in the world Unless J0hn comes back
I'm not saying all soldiers are murderers and rapists, but there are some soldiers who've murdered and raped whilst in Iraq. Of course I agree that the focus should be on opposing government policy. I've been against the war from the start, despite having friends who have fought there. However it's easy to see why Muslims are angry at the soldiers when stories like this come out: http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=498928
yes, i dont think going to iraq was the right thing to do (niether does my partner) and i'm not defending the goverments actions, but its exactly what i said in my original post, tarring everyone with the same brush will get noone anywhere. what the bnp are doing to muslims, some muslims are doing to our service men and women and the british in general. swings and roundabouts imo.
swings and roundabouts belong in a playground figure of speech i know but two wrongs dont make it right do they ......it was an illegal war in the first place opel was it not . i also dont see the comparison in your last sentence 0pel plz explain
If you are invited to a garden party at Buckingham Palace don't take your wife or husband or another member of your family with you, take a man who has a criminal conviction instead, the party leader.
weeeeell i haven't invoked the wrath of the internet gods by breaking godwins law in a while so.... heres a comparison between NAZI's and Nick Griffin Nazi Party We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples. BNP It believes that the indigenous peoples of the entire British Isles, and their descendants overseas, form a single brotherhood of peoples, and is pledged therefore to adapt or create political, cultural, economic and military institutions with the aim of fostering the closest possible partnership between these peoples. Nazi Party Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman. BNP The British National Party stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic character of the British people and is wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples. BNP activists and writers should never refer to 'black Britons' or 'Asian Britons' etc, for the simple reason that such persons do not exist. Nazi Party Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately. BNP It is therefore committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by legal changes, negotiation and consent, the overwhelmingly white makeup of the British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948. Nazi Party We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. BNP The BNP stands for the revolutionary principle that the printing presses and broadcast channels of the media must tell the truth in their reports.... we will create a new criminal offence of “The deliberate dissemination of falsehoods about an individual or organisation for financial or political gain” by any media outlet. Nazi Party All editors and their assistants on newspapers published in the German language shall be German citizens. BNP A separate danger to genuine democracy comes from the concentration of ownership and control of the mass media in too few hands, particularly when the hands concerned are those of foreigners whose primary loyalty is not to Britain. Fascism An inherent aspect of fascist economies was an economy where the government exerts strong directive influence. Fascist economies were based on private property and private initiative, but these were contingent upon service to the state. Fascism opposes many capitalist tenets, such as support of free trade and free international movement of capital. BNP The British National Party is pledged to the maintenance of a private-enterprise economy operating within a broad framework of national economic policy. It is opposed to international monopoly capitalism and to laissez-faire free trade and free movement of plant and capital. Fascism Fascist movements oppose any ideology or political system that is deemed detrimental to national identity and unity, such as communism and laissez-faire capitalism. BNP The British National Party is implacably opposed to Marxism and liberal-capitalist globalism, which undermine our standard of living, human and ecological welfare, freedom and national identity. Fascism Fascism tends to promote principles of masculine heroism, militarism, and discipline; and rejects cultural pluralism and multiculturalism. BNP The compulsory National Service system....would begin at the age of 18 with a period of basic training in the army. This would include full training with the citizens’ assault rifle. Conscientious objectors who refuse to undertake military service would be allocated other constructive work for the community, but would NOT receive THE CITIZEN'S RIGHT TO BE ARMED, or THE RIGHT TO VOTE. Even if.... it proved to be possible to assimilate and integrate huge numbers of immigrants from other ethnic and cultural groups into Western societies without mayhem and bloodshed, we would still oppose it. MEMBERSHIP (Lifted from their earlier website, they have never retracted this however) Membership of the party shall be open only to those who are 16 years of age or over and whose ethnic origin is listed within Sub-section 2 (ii) The Celtic Scottish Folk Community; iii) The Scots-Northern Irish Folk Community; iv) The Celtic Welsh Folk Community; v) The Celtic Irish Folk Community; vi) The Celtic Cornish Folk Community; vii) The Anglo-Saxon-Celtic Folk Community; viii) The Celtic-Norse Folk Community; ix) The Anglo-Saxon-Norse Folk Community; x) The Anglo-Saxon-Indigenous European Folk Community; xi) Members of these ethnic groups who reside either within or outside Europe but ethnically derive from them.)<-----That's white to you and me. "[t]he British National Party’s determination not simply to stop any further mass immigration into the British Isles, but also to reverse the tide which has transformed vast areas of our country out of all recognition over the last fifty years. We, as the sole political representatives of the Silent Majority of the English, Scots, Irish and Welsh who formed and were formed by our island home, have one overriding demand: We want our country back!" "We would repeal the Race Relations Acts and all other restrictions on free speech in Britain.... We would abolish all departments, agencies, or other units of government whose sole and specific purpose is to deal with ethnic issues, grievances, or crimes.... We would abolish all laws against racial discrimination in employment and the government bodies associated with enforcing them." "A Clause 28-style proscription against the promotion of racial integration in schools and the media would be introduced." "This wicked, vicious faith has expanded from a handful of cranky lunatics about 1,300 years ago, to it's now sweeping country after country before it, all over the world. And if you read that book (the Koran), you'll find that that's what they want." - Nick Griffin "It is more important to control the streets of a city than its council chamber." - Nick Griffin “The electors of Millwall did not back a post-modernist Rightist Party, but what they perceived to be a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan “Defend Rights for Whites’ with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch comes, POWER IS THE PRODUCT OF FORCE AND WILL, NOT OF RATIONAL DEBATE.” - Nick Griffin "I am only going to represent the white people. I WILL NOT REPRESENT ASIANS. I will not do anything for them. They have no right to be in my great country." - Derek Beackon "When we get to power OUR OPPONENTS WILL BE SWEPT AWAY like flies." - John Tyndall "Very few people in Britain are aware of the huge influence over the mass media exercised by a certain ethnic minority, namely the Jews." - Nick Griffin “The controllers of Hollywood, almost entirely Jewish. Some 'ANTI-SEMITISM' MAY BE PROVOKED BY THE ACTIONS OF CERTAIN JEWS THEMSELVES and thereby have a RATIONAL BASIS”. - Nick Griffin "There is no doubt that hundreds, probably thousands of Jews were shot to death in Eastern Europe, because they were rightly or wrongly seen as communists or potential partisan supporters. That was awful. But THIS NONSENSE ABOUT GAS CHAMBERS is exposed as a total lie." - Nick Griffin "[t]his BLOODY JEW [Alex Carlile MP] whose only claim is that his grandparents died in the Holocaust." - Nick Griffin "There's not a European country the Jews haven't been thrown out of. When it happens that many times, it's not just persecution. THERE'S NO SMOKE WITHOUT FIRE." - Mark Collett "Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that NON-WHITES HAVE NO PLACE HERE AT ALL AND WILL NOT REST UNTIL EVERY LAST ONE HAS LEFT OUR LAND." - Nick Griffin "Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to deal with. It just creates a bad image." - Nick Griffin "There is a STRONG, DIRECT LINK from Oswald Mosley to me." - Nick Griffin “The TV footage of dozens of ‘gay’ demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world’s journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these CREATURES so repulsive.” - Nick Griffin "Churchill was a fucking **** who led us into a pointless war with other whites [the Nazis] standing up for their race." - Mark Collett "He's a fucking traitor." - Mark Collett on the Prince of Wales "The Royals have betrayed their people. When we're in power they'll be WIPED OUT and we'll get some Germans to rule properly." - Mark Collett "A FRIENDLY DISEASE because blacks, drug users and gays have it." - Mark Collett on AIDS "Hitler will live forever; and maybe I will." - Mark Collett "The sick minds who would have us believe that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz are completely twisted." - Tony Lecomber "Asians are rubbish, and that is what WE ARE GOING TO CLEAR FROM THE STREETS." - Derek Beackon "Those responsible for creating this multi-racial hell hole must face trial and pay the ultimate penalty." - Nick Griffin "AIDS Monkeys.... bum bandits.... faggots." - Mark Collett on homosexuals "Racial laws will be enacted FORBIDDING MARRIAGE between Britons and non-Aryans: medical measures will be taken to prevent procreation on the part of all those who have hereditary defects either racial, mental or physical." - John Tyndall "Mein Kampf is my Bible." - John Tyndall "[t]here will be an unanswerable case when the day for the great clean up comes, to IMPLEMENT THE FINAL SOLUTION against these sub-human elements by means of the GAS CHAMBERS" - John Tyndall "There's a difference between selling out your ideas and selling your ideas. And the British National Party isn't about selling out it's ideas, which are your ideas, but we are determined now to sell them. And that means basically to use these salable words. As I say, 'freedom', 'security', 'identity', 'democracy', nobody can criticise them, nobody can come at you and attack you on those ideas: they are salable. Perhaps one day, once by being rather more subtle, we got ourselves into a position where we control the British broadcasting media, then perhaps one day the British people might change their minds and say, 'Yes, every last one must go'. Perhaps they will one day, but if you offer that as your soul mate to start with, you're going to get absolutely nowhere. So, INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT RACIAL PURITY WE TALK ABOUT IDENTITY." - Nick Griffin addressing the Ku Klux Klan "Voluntary repatriation. Isn't that EASIER TO SELL than compulsory repatriation for all?" - Nick Griffin "I honestly don't hate asylum seekers - THESE PEOPLE ARE COCKROACHES *and they're doing what cockroaches do because cockroaches can't help what they do, they just do it, like cats miaow and dogs bark." - Mark Collett *This is what the Hutus in Rwanda called the Tutsis of which 800,000-1 million were killed "Well apparently didn't they get a lot of dentistry and plastic surgery." - Rotherham BNP's Marlene Guest, referring to horrific Nazi experiments on Jews and others during World War II. "The idea that the Black African Bishop Sentamu, the Asian Muslim MP Shahid Malik, the part-Turkish Boris Johnson and the Jewish Lord Goldsmith have anything to teach the indigenous English about St. Georges Day is absurd." - John Lee Barnes "When these Asians go out looking for a victim, they don't go looking for Asian victims. They don't go mugging Asian grandmas, they don't go stabbing each other, they don't go trying to solicit sex off little Pritesh or little Sanjita, they go straight to the whites because they are trying to destroy us and they are the racists." - Mark Collett “All black people will be repatriated, even if they were born here. ” - Nick Griffin "Black culture is totally inimical to the mental and spiritual development of young white people, encouraging laziness, lack of ambition in worthy pursuits, preoccupation with the trivial and the banal, appalling manners and absence of respect for others". - John Tyndall "WHITE WORKING CLASS SCUM will be swept away by a future BNP government." - BNP councillor Simon Smith "THE RICH ARE GENETICALLY SUPERIOR TO THE POOR." - Tony Lecomber "I'm no apologist for WHITE WORKING CLASS SCUM." - BNP councillor Simon Smith "Rest assured, all those HOMEGROWN TRATORS who have taken part in the war against our indigenous rights will one day be held to account for their crimes." - Nick Griffin “I want to see Britain become the 99 per cent genetically white country she was just eleven years before I was born, and I want to die knowing that I have helped to set her on a course whereby her future genetic makeup will one day not even resemble that of January 1948, but that of July 1914. Nothing will ever turn me from working towards that final vision.” - Nick Griffin "Rape is simply sex. Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal... [it] is like suggesting force-feeding a woman chocolate cake is a heinous offence." - Nick Eriksen "Honestly now, would you prefer your kid growing up in Oldham and Burnley or 1930's Germany? It would be better for your child to grow up there." - Mark Collett "Meanwhile, the indigenous side in the low-to-medium level civil war brewing in this country is getting its training. . .Its all going to get very messy." - Nick Griffin's blog on the BNP website "It's clearly worth talking in terms of SIX-FIGURE SUMS to persuade families to go"- Nick Griffin, the Times, April 19, 2007 “We live in a country today which is unhealthily dominated by an EXCESS OF SENTIMENTALITY TOWARDS THE WEAK AND UNPRODUCTIVE. No good will come of it.” -Jeffrey Marshall (senior organiser for the BNP’s London European election campaign), 2009 after the death of Ivan Cameron. “There is not a great deal of point in keeping these people alive after all.” Jeffrey Marshall again referring to Ivan Cameron. Nick Griffin addressing a KKK meeting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OSzAtxnAJU Nick Griffin denying the Holocaust on the Cook Report https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X8QQwU00Jk&feature=related Nick Griffin denying he denied the Holocaust on the Cook Report https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-G2x9lotx8&feature=channel_page
This is what the BNP say about defence: "DEFENCE - no more cuts! Successive cuts in defence spending have left Britain’s armed forces perilously weak. We will boost Britain’s armed forces to ensure that they are able to deal with any emergency, and defend our homeland and our independence. We will bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO, since recent political developments make both commitments obsolete. We will close all foreign military bases on British soil, and refuse to risk British lives in meddling ‘peace-keeping’ missions in parts of the world where no British interests are at stake - a position of armed neutrality. We will also restore national service for our young with the option of civil or military service." I have to say I can't really find much fault in what they are saying there, apart from national service. It was a Labour government who invaded Iraq, and who sent the troops to Afghanistan, it is Labour who appear to kowtow to every military demand made by the US. The BNP wouldn't have assisted in the genocide of thousands of women and children in Iraq. I've read a few other parts of their manifesto on their website, and on many other points they appear to make a lot of sense. Whether they would stick to those points if elected is another issue, but so far as it goes ATM I hold far more contempt for Labour and the Tories. The BNP want more of our food manufactured in the UK. I have no problem with that either. I'm not saying I agree with everything they say, for one they want want to reintroduce capital punishment, but some of what they say makes more sense than what we have now. Does that make me a right wing extremist? Just trying to be open minded about it all.
Well, I think the strongest argument that they're an extremist right wing party is that they only allow white people to join. Do you agree with that?
Not really, Britain is and always has been a multi-cultural society. But at the same time they do list a long list of organisations specific to the interests of various ethnic minorities, and they are not branded as racist. None of these organisations aspire to take control of the countries politics though, only to look after their own self interests. IMO and most others the running of the country should involve everyone, regardless of indigenous origin. The term indigenous is a very subjective one, if you look into the history of this island dating back thousands of years, few of us are 100% indigenous, and if you go as far back as the origins of man which is believed to be in Africa, then we are all, every single one of us, indigenous to Africa. You can't blame people from feeling disenfranchised by recent political events, for example whilst I have no problem with immigrant worker per se, creating an economic climate that encourages great swathes of eastern europeans to come over, generating problems for BOTH this country AND eastern european nations some of whom were left with a deficit work force as a result of this, is not very sensible. This a problem created by capitalism and corporate slavery. I do agree with kicking out immigrants who are causing problems, it seems perfectly reasonable to me that anyone who comes to this country should have a probationary period whereby if they are found to be involved in any kind of criminal activity (violence, inciting racism, theft, fraud, rape etc...) then they should be deported. I am happy to take in asylum seekers, I feel that my country is partly responsible for creating a lot of the conditions from which they are fleeing, so I think some of the responsibility of helping these people should rest upon us. But this is a serious problem considering the sheer numbers of them that are coming here, I would know nor like to say which ones should be taken in, and which ones excluded. It is a very difficult situation, but I don't think that they should be kept in detention centres for as long as they are. I have heard of cases in HOlland where families from Turkey and held in detention centres for years, and young children are growing up speaking the national language, and then years down the line they get sent home. This is bullshit. Detention centres over there don't seem to be so bad though, they are more like open prisons, I helped a Turkish couple move their stuff into one after we all got kicked out of a squat a few years ago, and it was a bit cramped, but it was warm and dry they were free to come and go as they pleased, cook for themselves, and some of them get to earn a bit of money on the black market. That's my take on immigration anyway, I think the BNP possible take a more extreme stance on it though, which I don't think I agree with. As for the rest, some of what they say makes a lot of sense, but the rest does sound a little bit neo-nazi.
The BNP have done a good job in recent years of trying to cover up their neo-Nazi image. This article, however, is just one of the many out there that quite clearly shows just how thin that veil is: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/31/bnp-european-elections-facebook-expose
