Black Lives Matter, But The Genocide Of Native Americans. No Problem

Discussion in 'Politics' started by rjhangover, Sep 2, 2016.

  1. rjhangover

    rjhangover Senior Member

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    The blacks were enslaved, raped and murdered for over 200 years. But that's nothing compared to the genocide of 11 million Native Americans that had their land stolen, their women and children raped and slaughtered, and herded into concentration camps in the name of God and the American flag. They were poisoned by Smallpox in the blankets they were given. The women's breasts were cut off and used for tobacco pouches.

    And now Trump and his Christian followers ask the blacks, "What have you got to lose?"

    https://www.google.com/search?q=picture+of+native+americans+in+a+mass+grave&rlz=1C1NHXL_enUS695US695&espv=2&biw=1024&bih=643&tbm=isch&imgil=3vAIhmsnx0t7GM%253A%253B4iLcvdhzm1t8tM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Findiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com%25252F2015%25252F01%25252F27%25252Fugly-precursor-auschwitz-hitler-said-have-been-inspired-us-indian-reservation-system&source=iu&pf=m&fir=3vAIhmsnx0t7GM%253A%252C4iLcvdhzm1t8tM%252C_&usg=__-3qVwzz39me0CAhFWK-viARPHHI%3D&ved=0ahUKEwi9odHkhPHOAhVDKiYKHZH9AawQyjcIMQ&ei=7Z_JV_32OMPUmAGR-4fgCg#imgrc=DE6jhK0R0EjTkM%3A
     
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  2. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    pretty much any group of people have been subjected to the same atrocities, it just depends on how far back in history you are willing to go.
    Before the industrial revolution slavery was the prime economy for the majority of the world, and most all people's have been slaves or subjected to brutal discrimination somewhere in their history

    Not to downplay the atrocities visited upon the Native Americans, but it certainly wasn't anything new or provocative, just business as usual for the majority of human history.

    I wonder why people get their panties in such a bunch over the past of which nothing can be done to change or rectify, yet I rarely if ever see threads about slavery that is currently being practiced around the globe in various forms.
    Guess it's easier to whine about the past rather than take action to change the present.
     
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  3. rjhangover

    rjhangover Senior Member

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    Thanks for showing why Trump is so popular with folks like you.
     
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  4. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    where in the fuck do you get that idea??!!


    What about my above post is incorrect or indicates I support a moron like Trump?
    I see your another one who could benefit from courses in logic, reasoning and simple comprehension of the English language.
    It is dumbfucks who automatically see the world in black and white; so if I don't jump on YOUR bandwagon and whine, moan and complain about shit that happened a century ago, I'm automatically for the "enemies camp". LOL
    why don't you put your energy into TODAYS problems where you may actually make a difference in another person's life instead of whining about past wrongs that NEVER impacted you personally and of which nothing can be done, unless you invent a fucking time machine.


    FYI: I'm part Choctaw, and my great grandmother watched her husband and sons get murdered by the "white man", dumbass
     
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  5. Aerianne

    Aerianne Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    The problems for Native Americans are not in the past.

    They face problems with policing, poverty, lands being taken, their communities are threatened by their natural resources being exploited, native women and children are abused, their education is failing, housing is horrible, heath care is lacking, the economy is bad, voting is difficult, native youth suicides are more than two times the national average, their native languages are dying, and they are unable to obtain the native rights.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/13-native-american-issues_us_55b7d801e4b0074ba5a6869c
     
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  6. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    Very true and why doesn't the OP focus on that rather than dredging up past atrocities when there are more than enough present and ongoing ones to focus on, regardless of the groups skin color, religious beliefs, sexual orientation, etc,etc.
    Honestly, do you actually believe me to be that fucking ignorant as to not realize that there is still discrimination being levied at Native Americans?
    BUT rjhangover ALWAYS dredges up the past as if it can be changed or as if present day anglos should somehow be guilty for the past. Don't make any fucking sense except from a historical perspective.

    As I said before, RJ, why not focus your energy on current issues rather than trying to throw a guilt trip on people for shit NONE of us had anything to do with?

    and maybe you missed the point that my family was directly impacted by the shit that happened back then. Who knows how many more cousins/relatives I personally would have if my great great grandfather and great uncles hadn't been murdered.

    get a fucking clue people, I hear they are on sale at Walmart for $9.99
     
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  7. GeorgeJetStoned

    GeorgeJetStoned Odd Member

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    What I find annoying is the straight line drawn from A to B without any consideration for the centuries of events in between. I also get tired of the way "genocide" is used in this matter. I will not deny the fact that a lot of native native people were killed by Europeans going back to the Spanish. But I also know that natives and Europeans often formed alliances and fought shoulder to shoulder to wipe out tribes that were little more than insane death cults and dens of slavery and human sacrifices.

    So many things happened across the centuries that a disservice is delivered when it's all crammed into a sentence or "snappy" slogan. We live in Atlanta and Upstate New York and in both places I see a lot of people with obvious native traits. Native heritage is not denied anyone these days and nobody is forced to abandon their culture by misguided "Christians" anymore. If the US was really engaged in textbook genocide as a matter of policy, I think we'd have a very different nation today.

    I don't deny a lot of really grim events were brought about, some with the blessings of the government. I don't know the numbers, but I was told once that there are more native people in the US today than when the Spanish first arrived. Sorry I can't find the exact reference, I'm kind of old, stoned and psychotic. Personally, I think the US is way too big and should be divided into sovereign nations so that some of these issues can be addressed outside of the one-size-fits-all methodology that's been in place for so long.

    Another thing to consider is that cultural assimilation is a two-way street. I think about this when I drive through small towns in the north and south that have native names. I personally think it's a nice tribute and wonder who first set that idea into place. It's a small factor, but it ensures some names will not be forgotten with the passage of time. Also, don't you think "a white man" is less divisive than "The white man"? It seems to paint a whole race with the same brush. IJS
     
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  8. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    1. What do you think all those tribes were doing to each other before European settlement

    2. Resistance to things like smallpox would have eventually had to happen regardless of whether they were left alone or not

    3. If a bunch of white people wanted to set up their own reservation to preserve their genetic distinctiveness - what do you think they would be called?
     
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  9. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    Hi RJ, I am with you on this one. I met with a bunch of Native Americans at a POW WOW in northern Colorado, and at another in Pine Ridge. They all told me that the White folks who took their lands considered themselves to be Blessed, as in Blessed by Jesus. Whites think they got all that free land by the Grace of God. They never want to admit what was done at places like Sand Creek and Wounded Knee. The second amendment to the constitution was put there so Whites could shoot Natives at whim, whenever they take the notion. The constitution also said that Negros were three fifths of a human being, when counting people to determine congressional representation seats. In other areas of daily life in 1776, Negros were regarded as even less that three fifths of a human.
     
  10. I'minmyunderwear

    I'minmyunderwear Newbie

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    don't you realize who you're talking to? if you don't agree with every crazy thing OP says, you're automatically the head of the evil republican conspiracy to destroy the world.
     
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  11. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e04KEmsAc8k


    you need a history lesson
     
  12. Aerianne

    Aerianne Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    ^ That was a good movie.
     
  13. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    My mother has done the family tree thing, dont think I have any heritage outside England, Scotland and France, the last 1000 years anyway

    A safe bet though, somewhere in those 1000 years one group of my white ancestors were killing, raping and plundering another group of my white ancestors
     
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  14. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    Further for any of you addled brained, overly zealous louts whining about the past, here's another fact for you;
    my wife's grandmother was full blooded native American as well, Northeastern Canada, wife doesn't recall the tribe, but we do have her mothers documentation confirming here Native American heritage and family tree. It is currently in storage at our oldest child's house, also her fathers was part Native American.
    I'm willing to bet that MY family has suffered much more so than the OP's or his single supporter in his ludicrous insinuations.

    So the next motherfucker who whines and cries and says JACKSHIT to me regarding the suffering of Native Americans can shove it up their ass sideways!
     
  15. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    #IrmsLifeMatters

    :)
     
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  16. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    I know hundreds of Arapaho, Cree, Assiniboine, Blackfoot, Cheyenne, Sioux, and Apache who disagree with you Nox, and would find what you say very offensive. You talk like a Republican.
     
  17. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    Very White of you...
     
  18. pensfan13

    pensfan13 Senior Member

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    So you think if trump got elected he would put blacks in reservations and give them smallpox blankets?
     
  19. SpacemanSpiff

    SpacemanSpiff Visitor

    why does anyone even replies to this guys copy pasted troll threads ...he's even too lazy to change one word before reposting here to bait you guys


    here's an idea...just google his posts and then repost someone elses reply from the original



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  20. TheSamantha

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    The three fifths compromise was actually designed to ensure that the South didn't dominate if all those slaves were counted for proportional representation. Also, consider that slaves couldn't even vote. Would you have preferred that??
     

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